Do I need bentover rows?

[kali]

but i am 5'10'', 173 lbs, 78kg (started at 142lbs)

squats 160lbsx5x5, 72.7kg
bench 160lbsx5x5, 72.2kg
miltary press 85lbsx5x5, 38.6kg
bent over rows 150lbsx5x5 68.2kg
deadlifts 220lbsx1x5 100kg
(prior to that 210lbs2x5, but will go to 1x from now)

[wrenchhands]

Bent over rows where in a previous version of SL5x5, so there is no problem at all including them in your schedule.


Why 2x5 on deadlifts ? Once the weights go up you might find it harder to complete them (then again, in the intermediate and advanced version of Bill Starr/Glenn Pendlay programs it says 4x5 and 5x5 respectively )

What's the matter with 2x5? Afraid of getting tired?

[holvoetn]

What's the matter with 2x5? Afraid of getting tired?

As a beginner you can not take this volume when the weights get higher. You will affect your other lifts sooner or later doing this.

[Munnings]

Theres this ongoing controversy about "shocking" keeping your muscles "guessing" to induce growth. Do i believe in this 2 methods? Hell yea! Try it out to believe it yourself. So what i'm saying here, do not limit your exercises to a particular set of workout or routine. Constantly change it around.

Constantly change?
No, im sorry i dont agree with this at all. constant changes dont result in great strength gains at all, your just changing things around and going in a circle despite what seems like a good progression. If your not improving your main lifts-bench, deadlift and squat (these should be your benchmarks in ANY decent program) then your not improving. your just stagnating and replacing crap with other crap.
Anything different will allow you to get better at it for a while but if the big lifts aren't moving up, you are just rotating and stagnating despite what might seem like a good progression.
You will get far better results by sticking to a specific program for a while (time period depends on how well you are progressing) and then moving on to another when you have exhusted it/found a more effective program to use.
Point being, you can either get REALLY good at a few things (bench squat and deadlift), or moderately good at a lot of things, then when you get ok at them, find something new to get "moderatley" good at, etc and never get REALLY good at anything.
For instance, you dont see any major lifters get to where they are now by keeping "their muscles confused"- thats both the lazy man in you and the BBing media telling you that- No, they did it by consistently hammering away at main lifts and continuing to get progress (even if it is very small increments its still progress) through hard work and dedication.
You dont see Bolt getting fast at 100m by doing 10km jogs.... hes gotten REALLY good by training 100m and anything that HELPS THAT IMPROVE.
And yes i know these are extreme examples, but it works for anyone over the long term.
I can see why many people are attracted to this misconception- its easy to get ok at something fairly quickly. Its MUCH harder getting REALLY GOOD at that same thing over a long amount of time, pain and hard work.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/weight-training-weight-lifting/bill-starrs-5-x-5-program-variation-per-madcow2-thanx-so-here-k-up-now-375215-95.html#post5427025
Read the post on that page. Madcow has talked with Glenn Pedlay to form it, so it shouldnt be taken lightly.

[Munnings]

What's the matter with 2x5? Afraid of getting tired?

As a beginner you can not take this volume when the weights get higher. You will affect your other lifts sooner or later doing this.

Agreed. If your doing DL just before you do your pull ups (following the program as it should be followed) your pulls are going to be affected greatly from the extra DL volume. Doing more work for the sake of it is stupid.