Does masturbation affect the hypertrophy?

[Young Athlete]

Hey guys this is a forum and although most of us are men, and don't care much this does reflect on mehdi and his work and that should be respected. Also, there are kids on this forum... I'm 14... others are younger then me and they will continue to flow through here... plus what does that add to the conversation... this was a serious question

[Mehdi]

Hey guys this is a forum and although most of us are men, and don't care much this does reflect on mehdi and his work and that should be respected. Also, there are kids on this forum... I'm 14... others are younger then me and they will continue to flow through here... plus what does that add to the conversation... this was a serious question

It's ok YA. I've been getting questions about this by email too, and was actually considering a newsletter about this topic. Don't see what's bad with talking about masturbation/sex/whatever. Lots of myths around these topics caused by ignorance just because many people shy away of talking about this.

[eLvarouza]

But we can't be talking about masturbation...it might encourage people to go do it and they'll grow hair on their palms!

[pagangoddess]

Hey guys this is a forum and although most of us are men, and don't care much this does reflect on mehdi and his work and that should be respected. Also, there are kids on this forum... I'm 14... others are younger then me and they will continue to flow through here... plus what does that add to the conversation... this was a serious question

It's ok YA. I've been getting questions about this by email too, and was actually considering a newsletter about this topic. Don't see what's bad with talking about masturbation/sex/whatever. Lots of myths around these topics caused by ignorance just because many people shy away of talking about this.

Keep in mind the puritan roots of America (assuming YA is in the US). There are many who still think sex is taboo to discuss much less do outside of marriage. Don't discuss it with children, don't say those things around women, yada, yada, yada. It's perfectly natural and part of our humanity. Not something evil that is to be repressed.

[pookle]

i wanted to bump this. i've been reading a lot about sexual transmutation lately.

sexual transmutation is taking all of your sexual energy and unleashing it into your passion and desires, instead of unleashing in the bedroom or computer screen

if you have the time, take a look at these pages:

http://www.wilywalnut.com/Sexual-transm ... swers.html
http://www.wilywalnut.com/sexgenius.html

it seems every single day there is a 12 year old asking on some bodybuilding site if masturbation affects hypertrophy, and everyone (who are probably masturbating as they reply to the thread) say "NO IT DOESNT!! i do it everyday and im swole as hell!" but, what if "holding it in" can actually help you? i know that if i hold it in for a week, i am absolutely enraged and crazy. i'm all jittery and spaztic and really kill the weights in the weight room.

maybe the sex drive is really THAT powerful! and we waste it away with masturbating and sex! i was in class the other day and we were talking about Albert Einstein. einstein said that if an inventor had not created anything groundbreaking by the age of 35, he should just give up. but he didn't say why. maybe it's because the sex drive begins to lessen as we get older? thinking about sex and directing it into your work can make you think of some really whacky and (possibly) good ideas!

from the website above:

Mahatma Gandhi was a funny old bird. He had a lot of very kooky ideas! But what a genius...

You probably know that he was a celibate. And at the height of his powers he wore little more than a loincloth and endured lengthy periods without food. He used fasting as a way to protest against the harsh rule of the British in India.

It is said that during these long protest fasts, Gandhi would sleep (while remaining celibate) with two virgin girls either side of him. Apparently this helped to boost his energy levels and gave him the mental fortitude to persist. Hmm, I wonder if my wife would let me do that next time I'm doing a fast?

we know that if you dont eat, your sex drive will drop. and if you eat a lot (of the right foods), your sex drive will skyrocket! if you watch porn, your sex drive increases. this is similar to what gandhi was doing.

i remember pook writing about sexual transmutation (cant find the post though). he said that the "greats" of the past like Shakespeare and such were not gay as people think. they would just say they were gay because they wanted women to leave them alone! they feared that women would take away these great thoughts.

didn't ronnie coleman tell his competitor that "sex makes him weak?" he said he doesn't have sex during intense training phases. maybe it gives him an extra drive in the gym! many athletes today don't have sex the night before a major competition. MAYBE they should try not having sex 3 MONTHES before a competition and see if do any better.

but, this doesnt mean we shouldnt have sex. if sexual transmutation really exists, then we shouldnt cum during important times in our life, like when Coleman is getting ready for Mr. Olympia. but when the competition is over, then he can go have sex. if you're really stressed then having sex and cumming would be a good way to relax too.

by today's standards, the guy who doesnt have sex is a LOSER. after all, the peak of human existance is sex, cuz it feels good (by today's standards). wikipedia has Issac Newton as the 2nd most influencial man HISTORY, but, he died a virgin. it doesn't matter what he did, he is a LOSER because he didn't have sex with women (again, this is today's standards). so, i wouldn't go and tell all your friends that you're purposely not going to have sex/masturbate from now on, lol.

like pook said, throughout history, all the greats, whether they were an artist or inventor or w/e, they all had one thing in common. they all had that one woman who they loved, but she would not love him back, so they directed all that sexual energy/frustration into their work.

[RobertN]

It can have some side effects.......

[badocter]

Effect of sexual activity on cycle ergometer stress test parameters, on plasmatic testosterone levels and on concentration capacity. A study in high-level male athletes performed in the laboratory.Sztajzel J, Périat M, Marti V, Krall P, Rutishauser W.
Cardiology Center and Medical Policlinics, University Hospital, Geneva, Switzerland.

BACKGROUND: The purpose of this study was to investigate the effect of sexual activity on cycle ergometer stress test parameters, on plasmatic testosterone levels and on concentration capacity in high-level male athletes. METHODS: Experimental design. Analysis of two days of testing accomplished in a laboratory setting, comparing a day with to a day without sexual activity (control day). Participants. Fifteen high-level male athletes, consisting of 8 team players, 5 endurance athletes and 2 weight-lifters, participated in the study. Measures. Each subject completed the following on each test day: two maximal graded stress tests on a cycle ergometer and a one-hour exercise stress test coupled to an arithmetic mental concentration test. Blood samples of testosterone were obtained and cardiac activity of each athlete was monitored with a 24-hour ECG tape recording over the two test days. RESULTS: Significantly higher differences were achieved for post-effort heart rate (HR) values at 5 minutes (p<0.01) and at 10 minutes (p<0.01) during the recovery phase of the morning stress test 2 hours after sexual activity. These differences disappeared during the recovery phase of the afternoon stress test performed approximately 10 hours after sexual intercourse took place. CONCLUSIONS: Our findings show that sexual activity had no detrimental influence on the maximal workload achieved and on the athletes' mental concentration. However, the higher posteffort HR values after the maximal stress test on the morning of sexual intercourse suggest that the recovery capacity of an athlete could be affected if he had sexual intercourse approximately 2 hours before a competition event.

Full text (albeit quality of scan is very poor): http://www.udel.edu/PT/clinic/journalcl ... tajzel.pdf

[Mehdi]

Check also this thread: timing-sex-with-weightlifting-t14090.html

Experiment with having sex *without* having an orgasm. You won't feel tired/depleted/dirty/etc afterwards anymore.

Plenty of books that recommend this method of having sex:
* peace between sheets by Marnia Robinson => this one has all the theory/studies you want in the first part of book, 2nd part is the how.
* enlightened sex manual by david deida => also discusses the why's (on an energy level) and how's.
* karezza method => free
* http://www.reuniting.info/introduction => great site that discusses the above topic.
* etc

Even Napoleon Hill had a whole chapter on sex and how it negatively affects performance (business-wise, but concept applies to everything) in his book Think & Grow Rich. He said something about people only getting really successful in their 40s which is when sex drive starts to diminish. That book is 80y old or something? I haven't read books on taoism and stuff, but appearently they were practicing having sex without ejaculation already. So this stuff would be 2000y old.

Read the material that I mentioned above and then try it. Read especially reuniting.info, all free information. There's also this famous thread on sosuave.net: http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20053

Problems with masturbation:
* You send out bad energy
* You'll make sex to girls the way you masturbate: your goal is to get rid of your stuff, you don't care about her.
* You got all the tired/dirty/depleted/etc stuff that follows.
* It gets addictive. I've heard stories of guys doing it 9 times a day until they were bleeding.
* etc

I've had it and done it all. Stuff like ONS or having sex like pornstars is just not rewarding. That 5sec orgasm is not worth all the rest. All guys (but girls also get this) have felt dirty/tired/etc after having an orgasm. There are strong biological reasons for this (again read what I posted above). It takes a while to get used to do it a different way (and girls you end up might find it a bit weird at first "why aren't you cumming"), but once you do you don't want to go back.

Step 1 is to stop having/giving orgasms. Step 2 is to stop focussing on the genitals.

[tenkev]

Mehdi, you plan on not ever cumming again?

[pookle]

wet dreams will probably be a problem. but, as far as i can remember (the last wet dream ive had was years ago), having one doesnt really kill the sex drive. i guess i'll find out soon enough

[americanadian]

Good lord, I'm married, so I hope not.

[pookle]

jinxed it. wet dream after 2 days of no masturbating. damnit

[DJJ]

Oh come on guys, you're serious considering not masturbating because of speculated psychological benefits, as opposed to proven biological benefits of cumming? Look I don't care wether you have sex with yourself or not, but analyzing masturbation is ridiculous. Don´t take life so serious.

[pookle]

but isn't it a strange coincidence between sex and greatness? newton, gandhi, etc. shakespare. even ronnie coleman. they believed in sexual transmutation.

plus, it doesn't mean don't ever have sex again. it just means don't have sex during times when you should be focusing on other goals. the jerks and the jocks didn't take life so seriously, and when they grow old they say how they wished they forgot about girls/sex and just followed their dreams.

plus i wouldn't say they are speculated psychological benefits. anyone who hasn't cum in 3 weeks knows how crazy they can get. maybe we can use that energy to push out 3 more reps just like Gandhi claims to have used it when he was trying to stay strong while starving himself.

[DJJ]

But I have counterarguments to each of your statements and that´s the whole point. Maybe you benefit from it, maybe you don´t. Maybe you like it, maybe you don´t. Maybe, just maybe. Because it´s all unsure/not proven/internet hypes/ etc. do as you please. I was shocked at your post because it seems you really care that you had a wet dream. Maybe you even ate your socks in the last 2 days just to force yourself not touching your boner. And that's just wrong, you shouldn't limit your freedom because of some wild ideas on the internet. And that's the same with jackin it till your penis bleeds because you heard it prevents cancer. Do as you please, don't hurt your character.