Eat Stop Eat: Success Stories and Tips & Tricks (Blog)

[tarun]

Just wondering what if any effects there are to fasting with or without water.

Thanks

Water and any other drinks that are 0 calorie are fine.

[Rokku]

Restarted ESE last week. Down 5lbs in about 10 days, and have run twice this week (have started the Couch to 5k program), both days running @ 7am while fasted since 1pm the previous day. Good times.

[NotNowChief]

Just wondering, has anyone on here taken a log of their muscle mass, as well as weight/bodyfat and how eat stop eat has affected it? I'll be cutting sooner or later and am curious about eat stop eat, seems nice and simple.

[Scottymouth]

Just wondering, has anyone on here taken a log of their muscle mass, as well as weight/bodyfat and how eat stop eat has affected it? I'll be cutting sooner or later and am curious about eat stop eat, seems nice and simple.

From what I can tell, I have maintained my muscle mass - and perhaps gained a bit. My caliper shows a drop in body fat but my weight has remained constant for the most part which tells me a gain in mass. I was told this could not be happening, but all of the indicators prove it.

[Playboy]

If you take creatine you can easily gain mass while on ESE - remember muscle is only 10% protein, 80% water. Read HMP(how much protein) for details around this.

[BrokenR1]

I read you guys saying 8PM one day till 8PM the next or 24 hours. How much would it affect you to skip that afternoon meal and make it 8PM through the next day till 8AM on the third day making it about 36 hours?

[Mehdi]

36h is ok, but you already get benefits if you fast for 18h. Make sure you don't end up under-eating, especially if you do this 2x/week. Meet your calorie intake.

[Scottymouth]

I will have to say that this program really works. Lately I have had difficulties staying on but not because it is difficult, just because of my schedule. Once I have to change my workout days and fast days to accommodate something else it throws me way off. I am joining the local Sheriff's office (as long as I pas all of the tests!) but because I started eating clean and working out two years ago, I have no problems meeting the physical agility requirements for my age group. I will have to say thanks Mehdi! I will also thank Brad Pilon once I reach my body fat goals!

Scott

[Playboy]

I read you guys saying 8PM one day till 8PM the next or 24 hours. How much would it affect you to skip that afternoon meal and make it 8PM through the next day till 8AM on the third day making it about 36 hours?

You'll cut more calories and your HGH levels will stay up longer, so you'll burn more fat. But according to Brad Pilon if you're doing anything but 24h fasts you're not doing ESE. Bigger fasts can build a bad habit, you don't want to develope an eating disorder.

[Scottymouth]

I read you guys saying 8PM one day till 8PM the next or 24 hours. How much would it affect you to skip that afternoon meal and make it 8PM through the next day till 8AM on the third day making it about 36 hours?

You'll cut more calories and your HGH levels will stay up longer, so you'll burn more fat. But according to Brad Pilon if you're doing anything but 24h fasts you're not doing ESE. Bigger fasts can build a bad habit, you don't want to develope an eating disorder.

Excellent point!

[tarun]

I read you guys saying 8PM one day till 8PM the next or 24 hours. How much would it affect you to skip that afternoon meal and make it 8PM through the next day till 8AM on the third day making it about 36 hours?

You'll cut more calories and your HGH levels will stay up longer, so you'll burn more fat. But according to Brad Pilon if you're doing anything but 24h fasts you're not doing ESE. Bigger fasts can build a bad habit, you don't want to develope an eating disorder.

HGH helps build muscle too doesn't it? so theoretically, the fasts do help with muscle recovery don't they?

[Playboy]

I read you guys saying 8PM one day till 8PM the next or 24 hours. How much would it affect you to skip that afternoon meal and make it 8PM through the next day till 8AM on the third day making it about 36 hours?

You'll cut more calories and your HGH levels will stay up longer, so you'll burn more fat. But according to Brad Pilon if you're doing anything but 24h fasts you're not doing ESE. Bigger fasts can build a bad habit, you don't want to develope an eating disorder.

HGH helps build muscle too doesn't it? so theoretically, the fasts do help with muscle recovery don't they?

Yep. But you also need some protein to build muscle, according to HMP(how much protein) you need around 100 grams a day on average (more or less depending on your size) which makes longer fasts for bigger muscles counter-intuitive since you'd be recovering muscle without having avaliable protein to do so.

HOWEVER HMP also states that your body is flexible and can take protein from one part of your body and move to muscles when it's neccesary. So there's no DEFINITE answer. The only way to figure it out is to try it out on yourself. I'm considering an extended fast myself today since my last meal yesterday was 19:30.

[Jereplofje]

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Would this work in combination with the Anabolic Diet, or are there specific things I should watch out for in that case? (like putting a fasting day in a specific place in the week, because of the refeed)

Right now I work out on MO/WE/FR with a carb refeed on friday.

[Playboy]

/too lazy to introduce himself

Would this work in combination with the Anabolic Diet, or are there specific things I should watch out for in that case? (like putting a fasting day in a specific place in the week, because of the refeed)

Right now I work out on MO/WE/FR with a carb refeed on friday.

In theory yeah. ESE puts you in ketosis when you fast, which is what the anabolic diet puts you in as well.

[Jereplofje]

I thought the Anabolic Diet gives you enough carbs to stay JUST out of ketosis? I remember Di Pasquale saying in an interview that a severe state of ketosis is inefficient use of energy.

This was not the quote I meant, but I could only find this right now in another interview with him:

Also, in my view, it's not necessarily even necessary to go into any severe degree of ketosis, at least as far as having significant ketonuria and as such measurable in the urine with a ketostix, in order to get the changes in body fat and body composition that accrue from using a low carb diet.

I consider AD a better and more efficient version of the Cyclic Ketogenic Diet. I've done CKD and it didn't appeal to me.

AD works fine, and combining it with a day of fasting seems to make sense.
AD ---> Your body uses fat as a main fuel source.
Eat Stop Eat ---> Creates a temporary gap of energy intake while temporarily boosting metabolism

Combining those two sounds perfect.



Regarding what you said about ketosis... I thought the body needed several days to go into ketosis. Or can it happen within one day of fasting too?




Edit:
Here's the quote, it's from an interview with Di Pasquale on T-Nation:

NM: Whoa, let me back this up for a second. So what you're saying is, if one were efficiently using ketones for energy and lipolysis on a carb depleted diet...it shouldn't produce a state of ketosis?

MD: That's correct. If you've adapted fully to the diet.

NM: So it's not preferable to be in ketosis if the objective is fat loss?

MD: That's right. This is where I differ from everybody else and why the Anabolic Diet is so effective where others are not. Ketosis is very catabolic! First of all, the Anabolic Diet keeps you at 30 grams of carbs a day, five days a week. That keeps you out of ketosis, but the body begins to adapt to using fat for fuel. On the weekend, you can eat as many carbs as you like. That's the anabolic phase, but the body is still in a fatburning mode. Once there's a spillover of carb calories to fat storage, after no more than 48 hours, you go back to 30 carbohydrate grams a day. Basically, this is meant to be a diet that can be followed easily. Who wants to wake up at night to eat or spend each hour of the day watching exactly how many calories you eat? What's interesting is that I've found that triglyceride levels rise on the days when high carbs are ingested.