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Fat loss: What is the best method?

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Fat loss: What is the best method?

Postby Avenge » Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:18 pm


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Guys and girls..

I'm confused. I just don't know what the best method for fat loss is..
Let me explain. I know if you want to get rid of the fat, the number one priority is training. Weight-training to be exact. Understood, logical, and at all makes sense.

Mehdi (Or at least 'Stronglifts 5x5) advocates 'steady-state cardio'. Like running, cycling, maybe some moderate sprinting..

But, what I want to know, is it possible to combine Rippetoe (Or 5x5 for all I care about) with some other serious fat loss. So no running or cycling.. But sled dragging and farmer walks for example. They build up your size and strengh too, although not as much as weightlifing, but it increases your fat loss, your conditioning.. And they sound more fun than running for 45 minutes to me. ;)

Or, is the best a combination? On one day running.. On the other sled dragging.. And on the other farmer walks.. Just as an example, ofcourse.


So; the question is.. What do you guys think work the best? Or shut i just shut the fuck up, and start doing just one of them, and the results will come? With other words; too much thinking, to less moving?

Let me know.
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Re: Fat loss: What is the best method?

Postby Tmv » Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:13 pm

I say do the excersizes that "suck" for you, like running and swimming or W/e. W/o the suck factor ur not gonna get stronger/ lose fat.
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Re: Fat loss: What is the best method?

Postby Avenge » Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:52 pm

Tmv wrote:I say do the excersizes that "suck" for you, like running and swimming or W/e. W/o the suck factor ur not gonna get stronger/ lose fat.


Alright. So you say, get good at things you suck in, because they will burn the most fat?
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Re: Fat loss: What is the best method?

Postby Tmv » Thu Oct 01, 2009 5:12 pm

Avenge wrote:
Tmv wrote:I say do the excersizes that "suck" for you, like running and swimming or W/e. W/o the suck factor ur not gonna get stronger/ lose fat.


Alright. So you say, get good at things you suck in, because they will burn the most fat?

No, I mean do exersiEs that you are obviosly avoiding because it seems like your body isn't used to running/cycling. Doing shit that sucks is going to be effective. It's a navy seal thing, "the suck factor". Also part of the whole muscle confusion deal but in this case for fat burning.
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Re: Fat loss: What is the best method?

Postby Avenge » Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:58 am

Tmv wrote:
Avenge wrote:
Tmv wrote:I say do the excersizes that "suck" for you, like running and swimming or W/e. W/o the suck factor ur not gonna get stronger/ lose fat.


Alright. So you say, get good at things you suck in, because they will burn the most fat?

No, I mean do exersiEs that you are obviosly avoiding because it seems like your body isn't used to running/cycling. Doing shit that sucks is going to be effective. It's a navy seal thing, "the suck factor". Also part of the whole muscle confusion deal but in this case for fat burning.


Alright.. I get your point. However, I suck at it all. No joke, I'm out of breath after 5 x 35KG squats, so I hate it all. But I want to know, what is the best method, to get even stronger..

I read for example, that sled dragging also speeds up your recovery..
I just want to know the opinion of the Stronglifters.

@ Mouse, sorry for my inappropriate title. Won't happen again. :wink:
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Re: Fat loss: What is the best method?

Postby itsbruce » Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:14 pm

But I want to know, what is the best method, to get even stronger..

Trying to accelerate your fat loss while also building strength will slow your strength gains, unless you are very precise, careful and patient. The trick is to do just enough to burn off excess calorific intake without denying your body the reserves it needs to a) build muscle, b) recover from the last session and c) enable you to survive the next one. That's a delicate balance. Professional athletes and sporting competitors have coaching teams to monitor their metabolisms and fine tune such things - if you don't have those resources, you're probably not going to manage it so well. You probably just have to compromise and accept either slower fat loss or slower strength gain.
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Re: Fat loss: What is the best method?

Postby Tmv » Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:29 pm

Avenge wrote:
Alright. So you say, get good at things you suck in, because they will burn the most fat?
No, I mean do exersiEs that you are obviosly avoiding because it seems like your body isn't used to running/cycling. Doing shit that sucks is going to be effective. It's a navy seal thing, "the suck factor". Also part of the whole muscle confusion deal but in this case for fat burning.

Alright.. I get your point. However, I suck at it all. No joke, I'm out of breath after 5 x 35KG squats, so I hate it all. But I want to know, what is the best method, to get even stronger..

I read for example, that sled dragging also speeds up your recovery..
I just want to know the opinion of the Stronglifters.

@ Mouse, sorry for my inappropriate title. Won't happen again. :wink:

alright than that's perfect
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You will be sore, especially in the begining, but read the ebook, it explains the science behind that.
Cardio really increases fat loss too.
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Re: Fat loss: What is the best method?

Postby Shoke » Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:44 pm

Avenge wrote:Guys and girls..

I'm confused. I just don't know what the best method for fat loss is..
Let me explain. I know if you want to get rid of the fat, the number one priority is training. Weight-training to be exact. Understood, logical, and at all makes sense.

Mehdi (Or at least 'Stronglifts 5x5) advocates 'steady-state cardio'. Like running, cycling, maybe some moderate sprinting..

But, what I want to know, is it possible to combine Rippetoe (Or 5x5 for all I care about) with some other serious fat loss. So no running or cycling.. But sled dragging and farmer walks for example. They build up your size and strengh too, although not as much as weightlifing, but it increases your fat loss, your conditioning.. And they sound more fun than running for 45 minutes to me. ;)

Or, is the best a combination? On one day running.. On the other sled dragging.. And on the other farmer walks.. Just as an example, ofcourse.


So; the question is.. What do you guys think work the best? Or shut i just shut the fuck up, and start doing just one of them, and the results will come? With other words; too much thinking, to less moving?

Let me know.


Sled dragging and farmer walks look good...but seriously, unless you build one yourself, where are you going to find a sled? Same goes with farmer's walks, unless you buy some heavy weights, your gym is not going to let you carry the weights out. Why not just do some running/hillsprints instead, which doesn't require equipment....or even swimming, although that isn't the best way to lose fat.
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Re: Fat loss: What is the best method?

Postby Tmv » Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:54 am

Shoke wrote:
Avenge wrote:Guys and girls..

I'm confused. I just don't know what the best method for fat loss is..
Let me explain. I know if you want to get rid of the fat, the number one priority is training. Weight-training to be exact. Understood, logical, and at all makes sense.

Mehdi (Or at least 'Stronglifts 5x5) advocates 'steady-state cardio'. Like running, cycling, maybe some moderate sprinting..

But, what I want to know, is it possible to combine Rippetoe (Or 5x5 for all I care about) with some other serious fat loss. So no running or cycling.. But sled dragging and farmer walks for example. They build up your size and strengh too, although not as much as weightlifing, but it increases your fat loss, your conditioning.. And they sound more fun than running for 45 minutes to me. ;)

Or, is the best a combination? On one day running.. On the other sled dragging.. And on the other farmer walks.. Just as an example, ofcourse.


So; the question is.. What do you guys think work the best? Or shut i just shut the fuck up, and start doing just one of them, and the results will come? With other words; too much thinking, to less moving?

Let me know.


Sled dragging and farmer walks look good...but seriously, unless you build one yourself, where are you going to find a sled? Same goes with farmer's walks, unless you buy some heavy weights, your gym is not going to let you carry the weights out. Why not just do some running/hillsprints instead, which doesn't require equipment....or even swimming, although that isn't the best way to lose fat.

I disagree, i think swimming is the best way to lose fat, it gets your heart pumping real fast really quickly, the water cools your body tempurature and you don't sweat (or your sweat goes in the water). You use your entire body at once when you swim. Also the breathing you do increases your lung capacity.
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Re: Fat loss: What is the best method?

Postby Rockfella » Sat Oct 03, 2009 1:19 am

The problem is that u "Think" u dont have what we know as "personal experience" and u don't know how your body will react to swimming. I know someone who looses muscle mass also while swimming and considers running to be better than swimming for fat loss (which is true as running is more intensive!) Focus on stregnth gains, once u have more muscle loosing fat will be easier. This is what i have derieved reading about the basic concept of 5 x 5 training.
Tmv wrote:
Shoke wrote:
Avenge wrote:Guys and girls..

I'm confused. I just don't know what the best method for fat loss is..
Let me explain. I know if you want to get rid of the fat, the number one priority is training. Weight-training to be exact. Understood, logical, and at all makes sense.

Mehdi (Or at least 'Stronglifts 5x5) advocates 'steady-state cardio'. Like running, cycling, maybe some moderate sprinting..

But, what I want to know, is it possible to combine Rippetoe (Or 5x5 for all I care about) with some other serious fat loss. So no running or cycling.. But sled dragging and farmer walks for example. They build up your size and strengh too, although not as much as weightlifing, but it increases your fat loss, your conditioning.. And they sound more fun than running for 45 minutes to me. ;)

Or, is the best a combination? On one day running.. On the other sled dragging.. And on the other farmer walks.. Just as an example, ofcourse.


So; the question is.. What do you guys think work the best? Or shut i just shut the fuck up, and start doing just one of them, and the results will come? With other words; too much thinking, to less moving?

Let me know.


Sled dragging and farmer walks look good...but seriously, unless you build one yourself, where are you going to find a sled? Same goes with farmer's walks, unless you buy some heavy weights, your gym is not going to let you carry the weights out. Why not just do some running/hillsprints instead, which doesn't require equipment....or even swimming, although that isn't the best way to lose fat.

I disagree, i think swimming is the best way to lose fat, it gets your heart pumping real fast really quickly, the water cools your body tempurature and you don't sweat (or your sweat goes in the water). You use your entire body at once when you swim. Also the breathing you do increases your lung capacity.
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Re: Fat loss: What is the best method?

Postby Bman1 » Sat Oct 03, 2009 3:43 am

So far, I haven't seen one "right" answer. The first, second and third most important things for losing fat is controlling your diet. You need a calorie defecit to lose body fat. You can generate that defecit by reducing the amount you eat and changing what you eat or by increasing your activitiy level or by some combination of both. Resistance training is a very important part of a weight loss/weight control program because 1) it helps you maintain or, if you a a relative beginner, even somewhat increase your lean body mass while in a calorie defecit and 2) increases your metabolism (i.e. calorie burn) via a number of mechanism. Relative to cardio, both high intensity interval training, regular interval training, and steady-state cardio can all play a role depending on your fitness level and overall goals. There is no one "best" way to lose body fat other than it must be a program that you can stick to and stay motivated with. If you love sled dragging and farmers walks, they will work and if you would rather walk your dog for an hour that will help to. Move more, eat less and lift weights - you will lose body fat.
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Re: Fat loss: What is the best method?

Postby Rockfella » Sat Oct 03, 2009 3:45 am

Just follow 5 x 5 with 2 x wkk cardio as stated in 5 x 5, don't think much. :!:
Avenge wrote:Guys and girls..

I'm confused. I just don't know what the best method for fat loss is..
Let me explain. I know if you want to get rid of the fat, the number one priority is training. Weight-training to be exact. Understood, logical, and at all makes sense.

Mehdi (Or at least 'Stronglifts 5x5) advocates 'steady-state cardio'. Like running, cycling, maybe some moderate sprinting..

But, what I want to know, is it possible to combine Rippetoe (Or 5x5 for all I care about) with some other serious fat loss. So no running or cycling.. But sled dragging and farmer walks for example. They build up your size and strengh too, although not as much as weightlifing, but it increases your fat loss, your conditioning.. And they sound more fun than running for 45 minutes to me. ;)

Or, is the best a combination? On one day running.. On the other sled dragging.. And on the other farmer walks.. Just as an example, ofcourse.


So; the question is.. What do you guys think work the best? Or shut i just shut the fuck up, and start doing just one of them, and the results will come? With other words; too much thinking, to less moving?

Let me know.
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Re: Fat loss: What is the best method?

Postby thefinalsql » Sat Oct 03, 2009 7:38 am

Speaking of my personal experience, the best method of fat loss is the Atkins diet. My second attempt at the Atkins diet I lost 40 lbs in 3 months, doing no exercise at all. Failed this attempt by rewarding myself with food upon hitting this milestone.

I have found that adding exercise to this routine has made it much easier to stay on the diet, but diet is the number one priority. You can easily eat more than you can burn.
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Re: Fat loss: What is the best method?

Postby dylanamus » Sat Oct 03, 2009 8:11 am

I'm starting to feel a lot like a salesman, but I agree with thefinalsql on the Atkins diet. A low carb, high protein diet where you consume marginally under maintenance will yield great results for most people.

The best kind of exercise to increase caloric output while minimising muscular atrophy is fast, intense exercise where your heart and lungs are forced to their limits earlier than your muscles. Try HIIT, like Tabata burpees, or metabolic complexes, like The Bear.
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Re: Fat loss: What is the best method?

Postby Mehdi » Sat Oct 03, 2009 9:01 am

Best way to lose fat
* Get stronger: exercising helps stick to diet, builds muscle, prevents muscle loss from low calorie diet, improve appearance, etc
* Eat healthy: lower carb intake drastically
* (optional) cardio: to speed things up.

thefinalsql wrote:Speaking of my personal experience, the best method of fat loss is the Atkins diet. My second attempt at the Atkins diet I lost 40 lbs in 3 months, doing no exercise at all. Failed this attempt by rewarding myself with food upon hitting this milestone.

I have found that adding exercise to this routine has made it much easier to stay on the diet, but diet is the number one priority. You can easily eat more than you can burn.


You lost 40lbs weight in 3 months. That won't be 40lbs pure fat, but also water and most likely muscle since you weren't doing any strength training. Measuring body fat would have proven you weren't losing pure fat (good job on the weight loss really, but Atkins isn't the best diet for fat loss).
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