God, will I ever feel hungry ever again on the AD?

[jayhfd]

Anyone else finding this hard? I never, ever feel hungry, and the amount of food I need to eat to get up to even 3000 let alone 3500-4000 is so hard to put away. My guts feel like they're bursting all the time!

Almost done my first 2 weeks no carbs, and trying to think how the hell I'm gonna manage this for a year or more!

I also found on this diet I never experienced any of the drowsy/light headed feelings or any other bad side effects, which I suppose is good. Never felt like I lost any strength in the gym either, if anything I feel better/stronger.

Feels so weird having two meat meals a day as well. I'm gonna keep going with this but man, I guess I just felt like having a moan, cos my stomach sure is!

Cheers,
Jay

[rocksupreme]

Jay, I had pretty much the same experience. I was eating pretty low carb, paleo-ish before switching to AD, so I had no problems with negative effects. My biggest issue was, and continues to be, getting enough calories. Especially since I'm trying to gain some weight.

The things I've had success with are spreading snacks out throughout the day (nuts, bits of cheese, etc.) and taking liquid calories (a shot or two of olive oil, raw eggs). You don't want to go overboard with liquid fats if you're trying to lose weight or cut bodyfat, but they can be a lot easier to work in between meals.

Another idea is to try and eat on a very consistent schedule. Your body gets used to feed times and begins to expect intake, even if you're not really "hungry."

[killerdude494949]

Drink cream. One quart contains 3200 kcal. Easiest and tastiest way to add calories on AD. Beats nasty olive oil anyday.

[BigSteve]

Drink cream. One quart contains 3200 kcal. Easiest and tastiest way to add calories on AD. Beats nasty olive oil anyday.

25g+ Carbs in that quart.

Weekends only.

[legendcouture]

Just playing devil's advocate here, but if we are talking about being on a certain diet for a year or more do you really think that drinking cream has no negative health effects? Loads of cheese, fried eggs, fried bacon, red meat, fats. Is this really good for you? Isn't this what killed our grandparents earlier in life than us?
I'm only asking as this whole diet thing has me well & truly confused.

[thefinalsql]

Just playing devil's advocate here, but if we are talking about being on a certain diet for a year or more do you really think that drinking cream has no negative health effects? Loads of cheese, fried eggs, fried bacon, red meat, fats. Is this really good for you? Isn't this what killed our grandparents earlier in life than us?
I'm only asking as this whole diet thing has me well & truly confused.

First known history written about a heart attack was 1912. Guess what people ate before 1912... Everything you listed. What do we eat now instead? Sugar of all sorts. If you eat a lot of refined carbohydrates with a lot of those fats you list there is a good chance you are going to have issues.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_B._Herrick

First history written about diabetes was 1552 B.C. It took until 1959 to determine there are 2 major types of diabetes. I suspect the addition of refined sugar to the everyday diet allowed the type 2 to be discovered.

http://chinese-school.netfirms.com/diabetes-history.html

[Bman1]

First known history written about a heart attack was 1912. Guess what people ate before 1912... Everything you listed. What do we eat now instead? Sugar of all sorts. If you eat a lot of refined carbohydrates with a lot of those fats you list there is a good chance you are going to have issues.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_B._Herrick

That link just says that James Herrick was the first to describe the mechanism causing heart attacks (myocardial infarctions) not that the first known history about a heart attack was in 1912. While undoubtedly heart attacks are more prevalent today than in the past, I put the probability of the first heart attack being in 1912 somewhere between slim and none.

[mick82]

Just playing devil's advocate here, but if we are talking about being on a certain diet for a year or more do you really think that drinking cream has no negative health effects? Loads of cheese, fried eggs, fried bacon, red meat, fats. Is this really good for you? Isn't this what killed our grandparents earlier in life than us?
I'm only asking as this whole diet thing has me well & truly confused.

Western medicine would have you believe this. Took me months of reading for me to make my own decision about this too. There is some AMAZING info and links on this site about dietary fat intake and the effects of carbohydrates.

Read. Search and read on this site. You sound like me a few months ago, you will be blown away by what you find. This will start you off http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-prim ... continuum/

FYI I spent most of my life eating low to no fat high carb and yo-yoed up and down. I follow the 8 nutrition rules now http://stronglifts.com/nutrition-101-de ... nutrition/

.. and I've never been fitter, healthier or happier. Plus I'm stacking on muscle with my training and losing body fat. I'll get in 120g of fat today and its a weight training plus sport day so its heavy on carbs (for me these days). Tomorrow on non training day I'll get up to about 200g with carbs from veggies only

[legendcouture]

I already am blown away by the reading I'm doing. But I certainly have to do more before I come to a decision re diet. What gets me the most though is that you can have 2 scientists/doctors & one will say black is black but the other can prove black is white. Very confusing.
My own tiny experience with this is that a couple of weeks ago I found my lifts difficult whereas yesterday I found squats easier after putting 10 extra kilos (22lb) on the bar & I even put 10 extra kilos on my OHP. & my last bench workout was much easier than the previous whilst being heavier also.
So what was the reason for this new found strength:

a) When I felt weak I was on the anabolic diet (only for 2 weeks) whereas when I was stronger I was back on carbs & therefore more calories
b) The weak workout was like my 4th or 5th workout back after a month off with injury whereas the strong workouts were my 6th & 7th workouts back
c) A combination of the 2

As I'm doing a strength program I want to get as many linear gains as possible so I think I'm just going to get as many calories in as possible. When I'm at a target strength & size though, then comes the difficult part i.e. deciding on 8 nutrition rules or AD or paleo or alkaline or whatever else is out there. I've said it before & I'll say it again, this diet malarky is a minefield of info.

[Molyporph]

Drink cream. One quart contains 3200 kcal. Easiest and tastiest way to add calories on AD. Beats nasty olive oil anyday.

25g+ Carbs in that quart.

Weekends only.

I don't think that's true. At least where I come from(Denmark), the 38% fat cream contains no carbs, and a bit less protein than milk. But no Carbs at all. I drank up to 1/4 liter of whipping cream per day when I was doing the Anabolic Diet.

[Demian]

I did the AD for quite some time, both cutting and bulking phases. I think it's an interesting approach but a bit "too much" for the regular trainee.

If you want to bulk up, stick to the 8 nutrition rules, drink some milk, avoid fast food (a burger now an then wont kill you though) and you will get your results. That's what I'm doing at the moment and I'm pleased with my current progress.

I know it's nice and fun to experiment with diets, heck I do it all the time as well, but mostly it's the simple stuff that works best

[BigSteve]

I already am blown away by the reading I'm doing. But I certainly have to do more before I come to a decision re diet. What gets me the most though is that you can have 2 scientists/doctors & one will say black is black but the other can prove black is white. Very confusing.
My own tiny experience with this is that a couple of weeks ago I found my lifts difficult whereas yesterday I found squats easier after putting 10 extra kilos (22lb) on the bar & I even put 10 extra kilos on my OHP. & my last bench workout was much easier than the previous whilst being heavier also.
So what was the reason for this new found strength:

a) When I felt weak I was on the anabolic diet (only for 2 weeks) whereas when I was stronger I was back on carbs & therefore more calories
b) The weak workout was like my 4th or 5th workout back after a month off with injury whereas the strong workouts were my 6th & 7th workouts back
c) A combination of the 2

As I'm doing a strength program I want to get as many linear gains as possible so I think I'm just going to get as many calories in as possible. When I'm at a target strength & size though, then comes the difficult part i.e. deciding on 8 nutrition rules or AD or paleo or alkaline or whatever else is out there. I've said it before & I'll say it again, this diet malarky is a minefield of info.

Is this what you want?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sc-AruW ... re=related

[ricepower]

The AD is not the most efficient way for everyone.

Different bodies behave differently to carbs & fat. You should do more experimentation. Eating more carbs could be a better way for you to add lean mass without getting fat.

Read Lyle's Articles here:

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com

[legendcouture]

Cheers for those links guys.
My god, imagine having to eat like Cutler does.
I suppose he seems to be going for the low fat diet though doesn't he? Wonder how long ago that vid's from?

[molinari]

Did you know Michael Phelps eats 12,000 calories a day?

Google it. Reading his meals is hillarious.

Anyway, I struggled to push my calories up too. It was horrible and disgusting.

But the body adjusts. Took my body a week. 4 weeks later I eat twice what I did, and still get hungry.

Slowly you'll start to get hungrier and hungrier.

As the guys here say - try different stuff. Everyone's body is slightly different.

P.S Lamb shoulder chops = nuclear calories.