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Is NOT squatting bad?

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Re: Is NOT squatting bad?

Postby holvoetn » Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:12 am


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Got any viable alternative for that, mr. Devil ?


Oh, Mr. Devil would probably answer saying that deadlift achieves all that. :wink:


Granted :twisted:
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Re: Is NOT squatting bad?

Postby RobCosimo » Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:48 am

holvoetn wrote:
RobCosimo wrote:Sorry i just lurve playing the devil's advocate card.


Okay, how about this.
Squatting involves the most and biggest muscles in your body.
Using those muscles hard will release the most growth hormones.
Having growth hormones released in your body combined with full body workouts will make your body grow AS A WHOLE.

Got any viable alternative for that, mr. Devil ? ;)



Perfect :) Much better than "you must squat." You guys don't really like being preached at, do you? :wink:
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Re: Is NOT squatting bad?

Postby RobCosimo » Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:50 am

holvoetn wrote:
guru wrote:
Got any viable alternative for that, mr. Devil ?


Oh, Mr. Devil would probably answer saying that deadlift achieves all that. :wink:


Granted :twisted:


Nah, I've never said deadlifts are better than squats. Because I don't know or care.

I know I want to get good at deadlifting, therefore I like doing deadlifts.
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Re: Is NOT squatting bad?

Postby holvoetn » Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:01 am

RobCosimo wrote:Nah, I've never said deadlifts are better than squats. Because I don't know or care.

I know I want to get good at deadlifting, therefore I like doing deadlifts.


If you read stuff from Peary Rader you'll notice he has some brutal 20-rep squat programs but he also says a 20-rep deadlift program is a lot harder and therefor better (here's an article on T-Nation).
I am in the middle as to which one is better. I think they both deserve a place.

I am with you though on loving deadlifts more then squat, that's why I am also focusing on it.
Plus it is a LOT easier to deadlift at home then squat ;)
But I will surely try to increase my squat figures as well because at the end, it will also improve my deads (and vice versa ;) ).
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Re: Is NOT squatting bad?

Postby Zendefone » Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:25 am

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Re: Is NOT squatting bad?

Postby RobCosimo » Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:31 am

you win bro, you win :)
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Re: Is NOT squatting bad?

Postby Tintin » Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:49 am

Megalomaniac wrote:I'm a 15 year old guy starting to work out again. I'm 6 foot 2 inches and way 180Ibs.

So I'm trying to gain muscle and lose fat.

But I hate doing squats, if I continue to just do bench press, overhead press, inverted rows, push ups, pull ups, chin ups, will I be fine?

Or is Squats very necessary? Thanks

The question is: "Very necessary for what?" If you want to gain all-round physique, then squatting is a good way to get there. Of course it is not the only leg exercise, and there are many other ways to build strong legs.
If you want to look good, then all the other exercises could help you get there.
If you want fat-loss then look at your diet and HIIT/Cardio.

Squats is an integral part of this program. If you can't get over not liking them, then you are missing out on one of the fundamental benefits of this program as well.
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Re: Is NOT squatting bad?

Postby Portillo » Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:59 am

Squats are the most important part of the Stronglifts program.
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Squat: 112kg
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Dips: 40kg
Pull-ups: 22kg

The deadlift is not dead; size is dead without it.
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Re: Is NOT squatting bad?

Postby Megalomaniac » Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:40 pm

Not only do I dislike squatts but I don't think I do them the right way. I can't arch my back and go all the way down, I tend to bend over while doing squatts a little bit, also are deadlifts necessary because I'm not doing those either
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Re: Is NOT squatting bad?

Postby holvoetn » Wed Sep 16, 2009 1:25 pm

Looks like you got some work ahead.

As stated above, you ideally need both. And since you say you're not good at either ...
Maybe some videos while you squat and deadlift ? Then we can say where you need to improve.
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Re: Is NOT squatting bad?

Postby atypical1 » Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:59 pm

Regarding the form on squats, practice is what will make that better and it might actually get you liking the exercise. Squats and deadlifts are the cornerstone of any strength training program simply because they are efficient and effective.

There are alternatives but none are as safe or effective. I'd venture to say that if you can't squat properly then you probably couldn't lunge properly either. Leg extensions are terrible on your knees. Leg curls only hit your hams. Leg presses typically put undue force on your back.

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Re: Is NOT squatting bad?

Postby killerdude494949 » Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:23 pm

Why do you have to ask if you have to do deadlifts too? They are in the program for a reason, and if you want to do the program, do them, or else its not stronglifts and you wont get the best results that you naturally could.
Why are you squatting in the curl rack?
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Re: Is NOT squatting bad?

Postby Megalomaniac » Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:48 am

Sorry guys I hadn't read the above posts, I just woke up and that question came to mind so I asked it.

Well I worked out today, and I did squats and deadlifts, I have not worked out in a year, I tried doing the same weights that I used last time I worked out. (Which was stupid)

I pulled my hamstring on my second set of squats and I didn't do many deadlift, so Tomorrow's workout I'll take off around 20 pounds on both and start from there.

Thanks for all the replies, I really appriciate them.
Also (I am not using the 'Stronglifts Program' my dad used to use it and told me to go to this site, I just signed up yesterday, and thought I would ask a question in the forums.
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Re: Is NOT squatting bad?

Postby thefinalsql » Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:01 am

Megalomaniac wrote:Alright, thanks guys. I guess if Im going to go through with this I better do it right.
What's the best exercise to get rid of stomach fat?



Walking for long periods of time, at least one hour every day. Best time, first thing in the morning without eating any food(fasting)
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Re: Is NOT squatting bad?

Postby eLvarouza » Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:28 pm

RobCosimo wrote:Well, Mike Tyson didn't squat when he was in his prime. Was he balanced? Who knows. Was he awesome? Yes. Had a pretty good physique too. Do gymnasts squat? I doubt most of them do.

If you want to be good at squats, you need to squat, granted.


This comes up occasionally, and the difference is that certain athletes are already at an intermediate/advanced level. Tyson didn't become a boxer as a 6' 0" 140lbs kid, for example. If, as a novice trainee, you want to get bigger, stronger, and faster, and do so in a timely fashion, you should be squatting for reasons noted above. Because so-and-so advanced athlete doesn't do squats as part of his/her program doesn't mean anything to a novice.
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