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MadCow/Bill Starr 5x5 Review

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MadCow/Bill Starr 5x5 Review

Postby luco » Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:51 pm


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As per Mehdi's suggestion, hereby my review of Madcow's 5x5 program.

I started it in january 2007. I'd been doing random curlmonkey/machine exercises before that and built up some muscle foundation. During this time, I was travelling and wanted to try something different to stay in shape. I always liked the freeweight exercises better than the machines, cause I felt like a girl doing leg curls and machine presses.. I found the program online and decided to give it a shot.
I was on the program for 6 months, after which I went to central america, where gyms are pretty much non-existent and dropped weight training for about 3 months, after which I went back to Holland and continued.

My starting stats:
20 yrs old
1.77m
67kg
around 10% BF

Squat: 50 kg (I'd only ever done smith squats at about 80 kg...)
Bench: 60 kg
BB Row: 40 kg (Did DB rows before)
Deadlift: - (I had no clue how to do these, so I did pullups for the first 6 months)
Incline bench: 50 kg (there's no OHP in Madcow's version of the program)
Dips: 3x8x BW
Pullups: 3x10x BW (I'd struggle to pull that off now, low BF really helped.)

My stats after 6 months
20 yrs old
1.77m
80kg
20% BF (I know.. yikes. I pretty much just ate everything in sight. GOMAD (nonstop for 6 months...), a dozen eggs, bread, pasta, meat, chocolate pies, I even tried weightgainer shakes when I was in China and the food was too disgusting.. Whatever I could get my hands on basicly.

Squat: 5x 80 kg (High bar squats, I only learned how to do low bar squats about a year later.)
Bench: 5x 80 kg (Sadly, this is where I'm at now.. My form was horrible here though. Hurt my right shoulder a bunch of times.)
BB row: 5x 60 kg
Deadlift: 5x 100 kg
Incline bench: 5x 70 kg
Dips: 3x8+12kg dumbbell between legs
Pullups: - (dropped when I learned how to deadlift halfway through)

Things I did wrong:
- Where to begin... My form on every single exercise was absolute crap. I just did what I thought would be okay and never thought twice about it (if only I had SL sooner!).
- I ate way too much and unhealthy at that. While my total weight gain was 13kg, I gained 10% BF!! That's another 8 kg, leaving only 5kg of muscle. This is a result of a combination of eating too much and the next thing I did wrong:
- I wasn't an intermediate trainee, but did the intermediate program anyway. Out of sheer ignorance. I thought having been to the gym before made me an intermediate trainee :D. This severely reduced my gains since weight increments were weekly, instead of workout to workout.

Things I liked:
- It worked.. Even though I messed up everything, weights still went up and I got bigger (..and fatter, but didn't care at the time, just wanted to get big and strong). As a teen I was always very skinny, weighing about 54kg at 1.70 m when I was 14-15.
- I did the program a 2nd and 3rd time some time later, with improved knowledge of technique and gained about 10kg on all my lifts at the same BW in 2 months.
- Most important thing: It taught me the basics of what a useful program should look like. (I never heard of Starting Strength or PPST)
- It taught me to focus on strength for progress measurement (I had been lifting the same weights for like 3 months doing the machine/ curl type thingy).

Remarks:
- Try the intermediate program when the SL5x5 beginner program isn't working for you anymore. Volume is alot less, a buildup to one heavy set of 5 on all exercises except assistance and the double squatset on wednesday (recovery/light day).
- If you're stuck at a plateau, the 1x3 on friday/ 1x5 on monday seems to break through it quite easily long as you eat enough.
- The light day really feels like a break, even though you have to deadlift heavy. It makes the program sustainable and keeps motivation high.
My Training Log
177cm. 84kg. 23 yrs old.
Current PR's: Squat 1x 150kg - Bench 1x 97.5kg - Deadlift 1x 160kg - OHP 1x 60kg - Powerclean 1x 77.5kg
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Re: MadCow/Bill Starr 5x5 Review

Postby Mouse » Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:11 pm

luco wrote:- I wasn't an intermediate trainee, but did the intermediate program anyway. Out of sheer ignorance. I thought having been to the gym before made me an intermediate trainee :D.


I think this is a very good point that a lot of 'new to strength training' could learn from.

Good, honest review luco.

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Re: MadCow/Bill Starr 5x5 Review

Postby ProteinShake » Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:25 pm

Good review - thanks for writing it up. :)

I think a lot of us make mistakes about what level of programming to go in at. I know when I've read other programs I've always jumped in at intermediate level! I was quite surprised when I first read the SL eBook and it said you were a beginner and would be a beginner for quite some time (until you could squat 1.5xBW). other books I'd read only really stressed that the amount of time you had been training dictated what level you were! naturally, as I'd been goign to the gym for a year or so - would select the program that was intended for those who had been following that program for a year or so! No wonder I've never really made great progress before.
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190cm · 93kg · 31yo · 5x5 PR: Squat 105kg · Bench 77.5kg · OHP 42.5kg · Deadlift 1x5x127.5kg
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Re: MadCow/Bill Starr 5x5 Review

Postby nomercy89 » Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:55 am

Nice comprehensive review and you also admit that you made mistakes, which is good because people who read this will not make the same mistakes.
Out of curiosity, what are you doing now? SL5X5 or still on the same program?
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Re: MadCow/Bill Starr 5x5 Review

Postby luco » Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:23 pm

Thanks guys.

Right now I'm doing a SS like program with 3x5 sets on monday, a recovery/light day on wednesday and 5x3 sets on friday. Weekly increases on all lifts. I tried the SL5x5 for a couple of months, but found the volume too high once the weights got heavy. Spending 2-3 hours in the gym isn't ideal.
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177cm. 84kg. 23 yrs old.
Current PR's: Squat 1x 150kg - Bench 1x 97.5kg - Deadlift 1x 160kg - OHP 1x 60kg - Powerclean 1x 77.5kg
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