Proper Way to Drink Milk Without Side Effects

[kali]

hello, i am new to this forum. i have been lifting for under 4 months now, and i love this site. i have gained 30 lbs so far, going from 142lbs less than 4 months ago to 170lbs. i do squats 5x5, bench 5x5, bent-over-rows 5x5, deadlifts 2x5, and on certain days substitute military press 5x5 instead of bench press. i also like to add a few pull ups as well, as they are fun to do.
i thought to share with the forum my thoughts on drinking milk. (i drink half a gallon a day. i would like to drink more, and one of these days i hope to get my lazy self into high gear and go a full gallon).
i have a background in yoga (am a certified yoga teacher, have taught at ashrams) and have some basic knowledge of ayurvedic principles. ayurveda is an ancient healing system from india.
so, about milk:

1- avoid homogenized. homogenization destroys the milk and makes it toxic to the body, and hard to digest. (not impossible, just harder)
2- avoid UHT. UHT kills all the enzymes in the milk and makes it impossible to digest. even yogurt cultures cannot digest it anymore. it just putrefies in the colon.
3- do bring to boil. take regular pasturized milk (or raw, doensnt matter) and bring to boil. boiling breaks the proteins apart and makes them easier to digest, like mothers milk. and, boiling will not kill the enzymes. if you are too lazy to boil it, at least warm it up, never drink milk cold!
4- ideally, add spices that counter-effect the congestive properties that milk sometimes has on certain people: cloves, cinnamon, turmeric and nutmeg. one can add a pinch of each, or pick one. in india all the above plus cardamom is typically added to milk drinks for the various other benefits these spices offer as well.
5-dont mix milk with anything else in the stomach, it will just create indigestion.


so, follow the above 5 points and we have a healthy easily digestable milk drink that will not cause any side effects, like indigestion, gas, acne, bloating, diarrhea, etc.
also, many people believe they are lactose intolerant. while a small minority may be genetically intolerant, most are just drinking milk the wrong way.
i am guessing reg park, who drank milk in the 40's and 50's, probably never had to deal with todays modern UHT and homoginized versions, and i think people actually did warm their milk back then, too.
kali das

[ricepower]

It is refreshing to hear someone say that there is nothing wrong with pasteurized/boiled milk. Ive read a fair bit of stuff that worried me about pasteurization actually making milk harmful.

The problem is however that in the UK, and I think most other western countries. It is ILLEGAL to sell unpasteurised milk. I have been actually considering going to a milk processing plant and asking for raw milk! But if you say pasteurised is OK, maybe I will consider it. These concerns are one of the things which have kept me away from GOMAD.

Milk homogenisation is something which is pretty standard in the UK. Non-homogenised milk is available but as a premium product is small bottles. It is expensive, working out at around $2 / £1.20 for a pint.



I cannot see how homogenisation can be more damaging to milk than boiling. The process merely involves forcing milk through a small hole at high pressure which causes a more even distribution of the fat etc. Would this really make milk Toxic? I am doubtful.

[kali]

yes, pasturized milk, if not brought to a boil, is not the best. it alters the proteins, making them harder to digest, . however subsequently boiling the milk, which is to be done with raw milk anyway, breaks apart the large protein molecules, making them easier to digest again (thus making cows milk similar to goat or mothers milk, easier for humans).
so: boil the pasturized milk.
also many people believe that pasturization kills all the necessary enzymes. this is not true, only UHT does that. i actually experimented just to make sure: yogurt cultures can thrive in pasturized milk but die in UHT milk. also, and this is interesting, yogurt cultures thrive in boiled milk as well. UHT is a different process than mere boiling.
now for homogenization: a certain protein, xanthine oxidase, is toxic and normally gets broken down, but in homogized milk it attaches to the bloodstream leading to mucus formation and arterial clog, per western medical studies. also the fat is not digested properly by the body in homogenized milk and causes free radicals, which are harmful.
and yes, unfortunately non homogenized milk is expensive. i hear you on that.
so UHT is totally useless, while homogized milk can be digested, but with problems.

[grole]

The problem is however that in the UK, and I think most other western countries. It is ILLEGAL to sell unpasteurised milk.

It's actually not quite as bad as that over here.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink ... emand.html

At present, dairy farmers in Britain are only allowed to sell unpasteurised milk directly to the consumer, either from a milk float, the farm gate or a farmers' market.

You may want to try having a look at http://www.realmilk.com/where-other.html#uk and http://www.seedsofhealth.co.uk/resources/dairy/index.shtml to see if there is any where local to you.

No such luck in my case . One of these days I am going to check out the local farmers markets.

[oggynosh]

So, if I drink Homogenized milk I have to boil it? or at least drink it warm???... I havent had issues the last 3 weeks with GOMAD, only the first week that I was trying to drink the whole gallon a day, which I couldnt, so I reduce to 2 liters a day the first week then 3, 4 and after that I havent had any issues so far...

[tenkev]

Drink it straight from the udder. Squirt it directly into your mouth.

[kidsoftheblackhole]

at least warm it up, never drink milk cold!

why not? warm milk makes me feel like throwing up.

[kali]

1, to oggynosh: i mean drink boiled raw or boiled pasturized. avoid homogenized if at all possible, but if you have to, then yes boil that too, for best health and digestion. but at least avoid UHT like the plague.

2, to kotbh: cold milk is again hard for the body to process and digest, and, especially for those who are prone to it, it will increase the side effects, one or more of them. if you feel like throwing up, then drink less at a time and space them out throughout the day. i get the same problem. if i drink 2/3 of a half gallon milk bottle at one go, i can get nausea. it means the body can't digest all that all in one sitting, especially the liver, which is what causes the nausea here.

3. to be honest, warm is better than cold, but just heating without boiling actually alters the molecular structure of the proteins somewhat making the milk harder to assimilate (pasturization does this already as a matter of fact)

so in summary: best to bring to boil rather than mere heating, whether its pasturized, raw, or homogenized (and of course homogenized is just not fully recommended here).

everyone has personal stories, of either side effects, or less side effects, or no noticeable side effects. there are too many variables and factors for each individual, exactly what kind of milk, what body type and genetics the individual has, overall diet, overall toxicity of the colon and internal organs, how stressed is the liver becoming, etc etc. people can adapt until eventually the toxicity level in the colon and thus bloodstream just gets to be too much.
also some people are just more sensitive than others, and some people may not notice some of the side effects right away especially if their diets are already causing gas, bloating, indigestion sinus/throat issues etc as it is. and then again some will notice symptoms right away.

for example, there is a thread here about passing gas during squats. well, i am far from perfect and i have more personal defects than most, so i am not trying to blow my own horn here, but i hardly pass gas and it never came up during squats either. i also follow proper food combining rules as well, and practice hatha yoga, but anyway since i started trying to eat like crazy to gain weight and get stronger with weightlifting i now visit the toilet up to 3-4 times a day, (not diarrhea, but i mean totally healthy stool in case anybody was wondering...hopefully that wasn't too much info, and hey mods if that was too much just let me know). so my colon is very clean and healthy, and i have been drinking half a gallon a day for 4 months now.

otherwise, i just hate reading on the forum how many (not all, but many) people are suffering from one or more of congestion, sore throat, cough, acne, bloating, gas, diarrhea or constipation and what not , from improperly drunk gomad, and how a few at least are claiming to avoid it all together in favor of alternatives.

p.s., ok, i couldn't just pass this up, i also squat on the toilet. i started doing this many years ago because it is much healthier and is the natural way to do it, and thats also how 5 billion people do it. and...it gives the needed flexibility to do ass to the grass squats! (ok mods, you can go ahead and crucify me here!)

[atypical1]

Or you could just use something like Lactaid...

james

[ricepower]

Room temp or warmer fluids are a lot easier to drink than stuff out of the fridge for me. This goes for both water and milk, if it is chilled I can only have a few sips at a time. But if its closer to body temp it just glides down unnoticed.

[FilthyMcNasty]

Or drink goats milk

[killerdude494949]

This is unrealistic, but does anyone else ever think human milk would be the best choice for us, humans, to drink?

I'm sure that would eliminate many problems associated with cows milk.

Just slightly ironic how a cup of fresh mothers milk would induce the gag reflex in most people while the same people would be fine with drinking pasturized, homogenized, hormone pumped milk from another species of animals. And Don't forget the plastic that is absorbed into the milk if you are buying the ones in plastic containers.

I am definetly guilty of this paradox, but then again I don't drink much milk anyway.

[FilthyMcNasty]

This is unrealistic, but does anyone else ever think human milk would be the best choice for us, humans, to drink?

I'm sure that would eliminate many problems associated with cows milk.

Just slightly ironic how a cup of fresh mothers milk would induce the gag reflex in most people while the same people would be fine with drinking pasturized, homogenized, hormone pumped milk from another species of animals. And Don't forget the plastic that is absorbed into the milk if you are buying the ones in plastic containers.

I am definetly guilty of this paradox, but then again I don't drink much milk anyway.

You supply the woman and I'm prepared to give it a go

[ProteinShake]

Has anyone had any luck in tracing some raw milk? Does it taste that much different to the supermarket stuff? I'm trying to find my nearest farmers market supplier as we speak...

[oggynosh]

Has anyone had any luck in tracing some raw milk? Does it taste that much different to the supermarket stuff? I'm trying to find my nearest farmers market supplier as we speak...

I have had the chance to drink raw milk and to be honest wth u it's so freaking hard to drink, bc it's xtremely greasy due to its fat content...and its taste and smell is weird...but It is defintely healthier than supermarket milk for sure...Sometimes my uncle brings home some from his farm in the interior of the country...I guess that's why some of my class mates at primary school who didn't raise in the city were bigger and stronger than me... bc they used to drink raw milk every morning with their breakfast and I met a few, who used to milk the cows at 3-4am in the morning. You dont usually see this everywhere, but here in my country is very common in the interior...