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Repeating the weight from the previous session

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Repeating the weight from the previous session

Postby Kingace on Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:24 pm

Today I came very close to failure during my last sets of squats, and I was thinking, what would be the more effective option:
- Repeat the weight of last time (Add more sets? currently doing 3x5. Saw a thread about double progression)
- Add weight even though failure is likely.
- De-load and build the weight back up again (Least popular option obviously).

Are there any benefits of repeating the weight from last time on squats (with the same number of sets/reps) ?
170lb (14%bf?) / 5 '10 (177.5cm)
Just switched to 3x5
Squat (230lb/105kg), DL(1x5 - 260lb/120kg), Bench(132lb/60kg), Press(100lb/45kg)
Goals:
1.5xBW Squat (3x5), 2x BW DL (1x5), 1xBW Bench (3x5), 0.75xBW OHP (3x5)
Aiming for a 10-12% bf at 182lbs (83kg).
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Re: Repeating the weight from the previous session

Postby Grip72 on Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:09 pm

i just started but i'm pretty sure with the program you should try it again (up to 2 more workouts) with the same weight. if you still can't lift it after 2 more workout attempts then deload
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Re: Repeating the weight from the previous session

Postby DeadStrength on Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:17 pm

Grip72 wrote:i just started but i'm pretty sure with the program you should try it again (up to 2 more workouts) with the same weight. if you still can't lift it after 2 more workout attempts then deload


He didn't fail, so in general you would add weight next session. You never know if you'll fail til you try.
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Re: Repeating the weight from the previous session

Postby dhw on Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:35 pm

Go ahead and add weight. Who knows, you might have just had a bad lifting day, not enough sleep, food, etc... Odds are that you will be fine on the next workout.
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Re: Repeating the weight from the previous session

Postby kidsoftheblackhole on Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:50 pm

had the same issue - i did a minor deload on my last workout and was happy with my choice. of course by the program you're supposed to just add the weight, but since you don't have a coach you might as well go by feeling and try and make sure your form is good.

edit: that's if your form broke, or you thought it did - if your form was good i would probably increase the weight as supposed to.
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Re: Repeating the weight from the previous session

Postby Kingace on Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:34 pm

DeadStrength wrote:He didn't fail, so in general you would add weight next session. You never know if you'll fail til you try.


I've been on the program for over 6 months, so yeah I know what I'm doing. It's so intimidating adding weight to the bar, especially when the previous weight was extremely tough. I was just wondering if I should retry the weight so when I increase the weight next time I will be less likely to fail; I don't know if this has been proven to work.

I suppose I should go ahead and add weight next time round, next workout is on my birthday, so with a bit of luck 8).

dhw wrote:Go ahead and add weight. Who knows, you might have just had a bad lifting day, not enough sleep, food, etc... Odds are that you will be fine on the next workout.


I'm pretty sure I got enough food - even though this shouldn't be an issue anyway, I've broke PR's before when on a small calorie deficit (according to cunningham) and I'm hitting the recommended protein. Sleep wasn't too great, but it wasn't too far off averaging 8 hours a night.

Hopefully it was a bad lifting day, I'll take your word for it.
170lb (14%bf?) / 5 '10 (177.5cm)
Just switched to 3x5
Squat (230lb/105kg), DL(1x5 - 260lb/120kg), Bench(132lb/60kg), Press(100lb/45kg)
Goals:
1.5xBW Squat (3x5), 2x BW DL (1x5), 1xBW Bench (3x5), 0.75xBW OHP (3x5)
Aiming for a 10-12% bf at 182lbs (83kg).
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Re: Repeating the weight from the previous session

Postby Mehdi on Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:49 pm

You don't know whether you're going to stall or not until you do it. Sometimes the last workout was tough, and surprisingly the next one is easier. Do not be afraid of stalling, it's inevitable not to stall sooner or later. You must add weight systematically.
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Re: Repeating the weight from the previous session

Postby lionize on Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:07 pm

I see it completely as Mehdi has stated, - also even if you do fail, you've at least attempted and you'll come out of that workout knowing that you've lifted at a higher intensity than before and that is at least a mental success, half the battle a lot of times.

I've been at the same point on squats for 2 months now (225lb/230lb) but every time I get under 225lb I feel more confidence, not just pushing the weight but handling it with good form, even when I fail I just laugh and try again.
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Re: Repeating the weight from the previous session

Postby DeadStrength on Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:32 pm

Kingace wrote:
DeadStrength wrote:He didn't fail, so in general you would add weight next session. You never know if you'll fail til you try.


I've been on the program for over 6 months, so yeah I know what I'm doing.


Sorry if I offended you somehow.

Mehdi wrote:You don't know whether you're going to stall or not until you do it. Sometimes the last workout was tough, and surprisingly the next one is easier. Do not be afraid of stalling, it's inevitable not to stall sooner or later. You must add weight systematically.


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Re: Repeating the weight from the previous session

Postby Kingace on Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:06 pm

Thanks for the advice Mehdi and lionize .

Also, DeadStrength, you didn't offend me at all. Although, when I read it it looks like I have been offended. I was just agreeing with you when you said 'He didn't fail the lift'. Sorry for my bad writing.
170lb (14%bf?) / 5 '10 (177.5cm)
Just switched to 3x5
Squat (230lb/105kg), DL(1x5 - 260lb/120kg), Bench(132lb/60kg), Press(100lb/45kg)
Goals:
1.5xBW Squat (3x5), 2x BW DL (1x5), 1xBW Bench (3x5), 0.75xBW OHP (3x5)
Aiming for a 10-12% bf at 182lbs (83kg).
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Re: Repeating the weight from the previous session

Postby Barry101 on Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:45 am

Kingace wrote:Today I came very close to failure during my last sets of squats, and I was thinking, what would be the more effective option:
- Add weight even though failure is likely.

If your form was on spot, add the weight. Failure may or may not come, you do not know until you try. Your squat vs BW is great...congrats! Add some weight! :twisted:
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Re: Repeating the weight from the previous session

Postby jww38 on Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:01 am

Barry101 wrote:If your form was on spot, add the weight.


In my experience this is the important part. If you are having to use bad form to get the reps don't add weight. Otherwise add the weight.
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Re: Repeating the weight from the previous session

Postby DeadStrength on Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:02 am

Kingace wrote:Thanks for the advice Mehdi and lionize .

Also, DeadStrength, you didn't offend me at all. Although, when I read it it looks like I have been offended. I was just agreeing with you when you said 'He didn't fail the lift'. Sorry for my bad writing.


No problem man, I know things can come through weird on forums sometimes, just wanted to make sure my tone didn't come through negatively. :)
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