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Squat form check

Postby Eclipse on Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:24 pm

I realize the angle isn't the best on either of the videos. I tried to raise the camera on one of the videos, but it didn't really help. I feel that I need help with my squat. I know that my form isn't perfect, and I need some good eyes to tell me what to improve. I will try to get some better some material for you guys to work with. This I just thought of before my training so it was a bit rushed just before I started :P I can say from the get go that I haven't been using hip drive from the beginning, I thought I was, but I saw a video yesterday with Rippetoe I think he's name was. Anyway, then I realized that I had been doing it wrong, I want to correct it. This is therefore the first time I actually try using hip drive, I don't really know if I got it right. So now when I'm will try to get that in to my form, then why don't have you guys help me so it becomes right. Btw, I know the shoes I got is shit for squating and in general they suck too :P , I will buy some new ones when I get the money for it :)



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Re: Squat form check

Postby eLvarouza on Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:51 am

You have the right idea about hip drive. However, your knees come forward at the bottom. Shove your knees out and keep them there so this doesn't happen. Also, stop pausing at the bottom. Fix those and you're good.
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Re: Squat form check

Postby LudwigVan on Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:07 pm

I see knees forward, but I don't really see it happening at the bottom. It looks like a high bar squat to me, although I can't really see where the bar is. You don't need to go that deep with a low bar squat.
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Re: Squat form check

Postby kidsoftheblackhole on Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:01 pm

you're not holding the bar in your hands, are you?
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Re: Squat form check

Postby muddy on Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:57 pm

I tend to agree with LudwigVan. If this is meant to be a low bar back squat, it seems off. The back angle is wrong for a LBBS, and in addition to the knees coming forward, you are not sitting back enough into your hamstrings. (Those two things are directly related; need one for the other...) Since you mentioned Rippetoe, I would assume you're going more for a low bar?

On the other hand, if you are aiming for a high bar back squat, then it's more like what elVarouza said.
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Re: Squat form check

Postby eLvarouza on Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:28 pm

I see knees forward, but I don't really see it happening at the bottom. It looks like a high bar squat to me, although I can't really see where the bar is. You don't need to go that deep with a low bar squat.


Good catch on the high bar position. The knees forward at the bottom is more prevalent in the first set.
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Re: Squat form check

Postby Eclipse on Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:58 pm

Thanks for all the tips. It should be a low-bar squat indeed. That was the first time I used that position, first time for hipdrive too. The reason why I did go so deep is because I have done that when I started with squats. I fell in to the "deeper is better" category. I'm pretty flexible so it was no problem at all to go down deep. I know I don't have to go so far down, it's just a bad habit that I'm trying to get rid off. Actually, that was the first time I also did squats without the pad they got, you know that thing you put around the bar to make it softer.

All the new "shit" was pretty hard to handle, on top of that, I got a genetic disease (Ehlers-Danlos syndrome), to be exact the Hypermobility one, there's a "bunch" of different symptoms/types. I'm not saying that to make you feel sorry for me, I can live a normal life and many people have much worse diseases or other stuff that effect them in a negative way. Anyway my EDS makes me more flexible than most people just at the get go, but if I would stretch and shit I would become made of "spaghetti". That's also the reason why I go so deep, as I said before, it's not a problem for me, it's actually much much harder not to do it. That's also the reason why I used the pad, with a high-bar position before, I couldn't handle the pain that came with the bar. Slowly I was learning my body to get used to the weight without the pad, I actually got really bad bruises without the pad. But then the moment came, I couldn't do the high-bar with the pad anymore, because the weight pressed "through" the bar. And that was only at 50kg, I realized that if I wanted to continue training I was bound to squat without a pad. Just after that, I got a really bad cold and other stuff, namely school was beginning to "fuck up" etc. It just wasn't the best time to be focusing on training, so I took a break. When I came back, fairly recently, I had done my research and found Rippetoe, and thought to give it a shoot. The low-bar also hurts (If I'm now using a low-bar, that seems pretty uncertain at the moment :P), but not as nearly as much, why I don't know, that's just how my body works, one day it's my back, the day after my arm etc. With that I mean that I can have pains in one position so bad that I just want to quit, but just change it a bit, and all is ok. That's what happed to me when I switched from high-bar. So I was really happy, I had beaten my got damn EDS :P

Although my physiotherapist has told me not to do heavy weights (they always treats me like a porcelain vase, and I'm tiered of it), I did it and I still do. I told her, that I respected her opinion and that I realize that's her job, but that she didn't have my sickness, she had apparently never treated someone with EDS, no one had did that it seemed. I also said that EDS presents it self really different with each person who has it. Even tough my mom and me has the same type of EDS, we have completely different problems. Anyway, I told my physiotherapist that I at least wanted to try, that I didn't want to live all my life being afraid of trying new things. I rarely let my disease stop me and get in the way, and I was certainly not gonna change that without even tried training in this way. That I had my goals, I had my dreams and if this was a "mistake" as she said, well then that was mine to make. I only get older, with EDS that often means more pain. So if I would fuck up my body, well, then I just did it a bit sooner. I know that's a pretty strange and fucked up view of it, but that's how I felt at the time.

Now I sit here, I have less pain in my knees, in fact, my whole body feels better. Now that I think about it, I'm chocked. Well, okey, I still got my problems, but they are much better than before. I think more muscle for my body is good, to keep it more compact. A big problem for my is (that will become a has) that it take a lot of energy for my body to keep my straight, that puts a strain on my muscles, sometimes I get days when I'm so tired that the only thing I can do is to sleep and walk around like zombie, but the next day, I'm as fine as ever. It's like the feeling when you get really sick and don't have the energy to do anything, only in my case, it's over the next day. I think more muscle means more shit to keep my straight, which in return should mean less zombie days. As long as I get my body the right amount of energy from the food to keep it going, I only see good things ahead.

When I did that low-bar at the video (or whatever it was) without the pad, I felt so fucking proud. It was only 30kg, but before that the bar alone was hard as hell. Today I did 55kg without a problem. I feel awesome, I'm so fucking happy that I don't let other people choose for me. I give it a go, if it doesn't work out, well then at least I tried to follow my own goals and dreams. My disease has stopped me from many sports, even tough I tried really hard to get into them, it didn't work out. Now I have finally found a sport that dose work. It feels pretty much as when I got my first road bike and I got to ride in a peloton, and that would be an awesome feeling. I'm still a noob when it comes to lifting weights and I'm glad to have people like you helping me.

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Now, just to sneak in a question. When you say push you're knees out, how do you mean? Do you mean \<--->/, the / is the knees. Like as if someone, when you squatted down, took there hands on your knees and pushed them away from each other like so \<---->/? Someone wrote that the back angle seems to be off for a low-bar squat, can someone show a picture how it would really look like if I did it right?

Also, I will try to get a hold of a camera, and make a new clip. And this time I will try to get a friend filming me, it feels like that would get the whole picture of my form better than my improvised platform for the cam.
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Re: Squat form check

Postby Eclipse on Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:18 pm

It's been a while since I last wrote. Why I actually don't know. I was trying to get a hold of a camera, then I just forgot, how I did that, I don't know:P Anyway, now I have camera, and I have a new video. Take a look and say what I need to do better. I'm going for the low-bar with hip drive thing rippetoe is talking about. Is this (the last clip) even close? I mean, it's easy to read about it, it's a lot different trying to do what you've read:P I think I got rid of the pausing, at least it should be a bit better. This time you also see where the bar is a lot better. Would appreciate all tips I could get so I can use them this Sunday. Then I will make a new "movie", and once again post it until it's damn near perfect. So, is my form good but in need of some work? Or is it just so awful that you want to rip your eyes out?:P

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Re: Squat form check

Postby muddy on Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:26 am

sorry no one responded to that earlier question - i somehow missed it too. yes, shoving your knees out means what you took it to mean.

i thought the squats looked very good! on a few, there was a faint tendency to rock forward a little. keep shoving those knees out on the drive up, and it'll help keep the pc in the lift as well as the bar over your center of gravity.

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Re: Squat form check

Postby Eclipse on Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:15 pm

Shove my knees out, got it! Thanks for your input :) Btw, I mentioned earlier (in my longest post ever :P ) that I went to an physiotherapist due to my EDS. Anyway, no more of that stuff, why? Well last time I was there, it's been a while, like 3 months or so, she got so impressed of what I had done so I don't need to go anymore if I don't want to :D That in it self is a big deal for me, to see what I really can do and don't let other people, my sickness get in the way of what I want. Many people where "against" me, they thought it would do more harm than good, I was convinced from the first week of the program that this was the thing for me. Now they praise me almost every day for my dedication. I no longer have pain in my knees or back, and I sleep so much better and feel much better about myself. I just so happy to have found this program, this has changed my life and will continue to do so. So even tough my physiotherapist thought that lifting heavy weights maybe weren't the best thing for me, I made my own research and I came out of it better than before. Once again, I'm happy that although I thought hard on her advise that I took my own way, at least testing it out, if I would have listed to her, I'm almost sure that I wouldn't feel this good right now. The lesson I learned from it? Although I have a lot of people around me who love me, support me in what I do, and just want to protect me, I myself must feel what's right for me, everyones different, so different people gets better in different ways, I'm just glad I found mine :)
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Re: Squat form check

Postby eLvarouza on Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:27 pm

Depth looked questionable, but it could be the angle.
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Re: Squat form check

Postby Eclipse on Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:47 pm

Okey. Then I will try to go a bit deeper next time. You said it was questionable, is it far off or near good? Since you said it could be the angle, I go for the later one, otherwise it should easier to spot, am I right? And if it could be the angle of the video, what angle should I use to get it better?
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Re: Squat form check

Postby eLvarouza on Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:19 pm

I can't tell from the angle. Easiest way to determine depth is to video it from the side at knee height.
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Re: Squat form check

Postby Eclipse on Sun Sep 27, 2009 8:39 am

Okey, video at knee height, got it! Will make such a video and post it here later today :)
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Re: Squat form check

Postby Eclipse on Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:20 am

I've should have posted this earlier but never got around to it. Better late then never, right? :P I tried to go a bit deeper, I know I can have been slacking on the depth part, I've done that before. But now that I've changed my depth, dose it look better that way? Will film some more today so you get the full picture, so my new depth dosen't effect the rest of my form. Maybe you you can see something in this video. How are my knees? Do they travel forward? I have never quite understood that part :P I'm pushing my knees out now much more than before tough.

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