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Squat from check after reaching bodyweight

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Squat from check after reaching bodyweight

Postby Transformer » Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:05 pm


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Re: Squat from check after reaching bodyweight

Postby muddy » Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:23 pm

On the whole, it looks pretty good. However:

1) Your right knee appears to have a tendency to buckle a bit and torque forward and in on the drive up. It's hard to be sure from the video since the rear view favors the left knee. But it seems to be there in both the rear and side views. You may want to watch that, and see if you can put some extra attention into shoving that knee out and keeping it solidly fixed on the drive up.

2) How you're holding the bar seems a little odd, but I can't put my finger on why. Do you do any shoulder dislocations or other mobility work?

Depth is excellent and as far as I could see, you maintained a good back position and kept the bar over your center of gravity.
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Re: Squat from check after reaching bodyweight

Postby maroon » Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:28 pm

Hey man, great that you posted a video up :)

Just wanted to shoot in that the depth looks great, well done on that.

I'll leave critique for the more experienced lifters.
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Re: Squat from check after reaching bodyweight

Postby arehb » Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:00 am

Think it looks good. Abit woobbly but who isn`t when new. Very good depth!

Try to not have knees slide forward at the bottom by keeping butt back, back straight and chest up.
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Re: Squat from check after reaching bodyweight

Postby MikeD » Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:11 am

I think the way he's holding the bar is solid, asside from the thumbs around grip and the wrists ARCHING, which is kind of bizarre.
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Re: Squat from check after reaching bodyweight

Postby Transformer » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:37 pm

Thanks for the replies!!

muddy wrote:1) Your right knee appears to have a tendency to buckle a bit and torque forward and in on the drive up. It's hard to be sure from the video since the rear view favors the left knee. But it seems to be there in both the rear and side views. You may want to watch that, and see if you can put some extra attention into shoving that knee out and keeping it solidly fixed on the drive up.


Yes I also noticed, thanks for confirming, I'll really have to pay attention to this, thanks arehb for confirming.
I also think it is mainly my right knee.

muddy wrote:2) How you're holding the bar seems a little odd, but I can't put my finger on why. Do you do any shoulder dislocations or other mobility work?


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Yes I do shoulder dislocations about 20 during warmup. I'm using a thumbless grip but I think usually people have the bar under the yellow bone (picture above) My wrists are twisted if I try this so my thumbless grip is resting with the pink bone on the bar. Maybe that's what is looking weird, I'll also try to keep them more straight and not arching MikeD

muddy wrote:Depth is excellent and as far as I could see, you maintained a good back position and kept the bar over your center of gravity.


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Re: Squat from check after reaching bodyweight

Postby guru » Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:18 am

I'm using a thumbless grip but I think usually people have the bar under the yellow bone (picture above) My wrists are twisted if I try this so my thumbless grip is resting with the pink bone on the bar.

The yellow bones (and the purple & blue beyond) are all in our fingers. If you try to hold the bar near fingers then yes, your wrists will be twisted. None of us hold the bar there. We all hold it securely at the palm (the pink bones).
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Re: Squat from check after reaching bodyweight

Postby Transformer » Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:05 pm

guru wrote:
I'm using a thumbless grip but I think usually people have the bar under the yellow bone (picture above) My wrists are twisted if I try this so my thumbless grip is resting with the pink bone on the bar.

The yellow bones (and the purple & blue beyond) are all in our fingers. If you try to hold the bar near fingers then yes, your wrists will be twisted. None of us hold the bar there. We all hold it securely at the palm (the pink bones).


Guru I'm in shock now, looking at the picture used here on stronglifts "how to squat", the bar is below the yellow bone, even almost between the yellow and blue bone. Again, I prefer below the pink bone, just like you describe it!!

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Re: Squat from check after reaching bodyweight

Postby MikeD » Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:22 pm

It could be the angle, but is your left elbow higher than your right?
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Re: Squat from check after reaching bodyweight

Postby Transformer » Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:40 pm

OK re-reading all this, I have to admit my grip is lousy, I'm doing it wrong, I'll try to correct it and post a new video.
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Re: Squat from check after reaching bodyweight

Postby MikeD » Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:47 pm

Haha, I'm just noticing things I used to do. You could try to get an angle directly from the back, now that we have an idea of what we're looking for.
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Re: Squat from check after reaching bodyweight

Postby BOHICA » Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:34 am

Transformer wrote:
guru wrote:
I'm using a thumbless grip but I think usually people have the bar under the yellow bone (picture above) My wrists are twisted if I try this so my thumbless grip is resting with the pink bone on the bar.

The yellow bones (and the purple & blue beyond) are all in our fingers. If you try to hold the bar near fingers then yes, your wrists will be twisted. None of us hold the bar there. We all hold it securely at the palm (the pink bones).


Guru I'm in shock now, looking at the picture used here on stronglifts "how to squat", the bar is below the yellow bone, even almost between the yellow and blue bone. Again, I prefer below the pink bone, just like you describe it!!

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Problem with this picture is you need to have your elbows up to drive the bar into your back. You don't want the bar resting in your hands or your shoulders having to hold that weight. You want it basically wedged in between your hands and back with your shoulders locked in placed so it doesnt move.

As for the op squat looks good, but really try to sit further back and go forward. It isn't an up and down movement but instead a back n forth movement like a pendelum. If you could get a box or bench to squat back onto that would really help.

It is just like sitting in a chair or on the toilet. Do you straddle the chair/toilet and sit straight down? No you sit back onto it. Don't know why everyone tries to change this when they get weight on their back.
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Re: Squat from check after reaching bodyweight

Postby Transformer » Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:21 pm

allright I worked on my grip:

1. more narrow grip
2. centered better
3. changed bar position relative to the thumb/bones
4. still have issues with my elbows being unequally high but it took me five sets to get here so next workout I can continue to work on that

Did my grip improve??

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Re: Squat from check after reaching bodyweight

Postby MikeD » Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:04 pm

Grip is better. The elbows thing is not a deal breaker as of yet; I'd work on shoulder dislocations, and trying to get that right elbow consciously higher.

I noticed your hips swaying to the right on a rep or two. This means your knees aren't shoved out as hard as they could be, and one is likely being shoved out harder than the other.
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Re: Squat from check after reaching bodyweight

Postby BOHICA » Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:14 pm

Push through the heels and outside of your feet. This will help keep those knees in check. Bar and hand placement do look better but it also looks as if the bar is slightly off center and that is why one elbow is back compared to the other. Hard to tell though.
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