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Re: Take This Personality to Help Choosing Your Career

Postby jflynn » Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:18 pm


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ENFP

I'm a "Champion" apparently.

General: ENFPs are both "idea"-people and "people"-people, who see everyone and everything as part of an often bizarre cosmic whole. They want to both help (at least, their own definition of "help") and be liked and admired by other people, on bo th an individual and a humanitarian level. They are interested in new ideas on principle, but ultimately discard most of them for one reason or another.
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Re: Take This Personality to Help Choosing Your Career

Postby tommyknuckles » Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:31 pm

Your Type is
ENTJ
Extraverted Intuitive Thinking Judging
Strength of the preferences %
22 38 25 56
1RM PB: BP 135kg, SQ 190kg, DL 215kg, OHP 80kg.
BEST 2009 SO FAR: BP 130kg SQ 192.kg DL 210kg, OHP 80kg
GOAL 2009: BP 150kg, SQ 210kg, DL 230kg, OHP 100kg.
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Re: Take This Personality to Help Choosing Your Career

Postby TheUniqueOne » Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:12 pm

I'm a INTJ too. Must say I was surprised to see so many others INTJ's here :P
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Re: Take This Personality to Help Choosing Your Career

Postby thunderdownunder » Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:34 pm

I'm a Protector apparently. Sounds just like me... 8)

Introverted
Sensing
Judging
Feeling

slightly expressed introvert

slightly expressed sensing personality

moderately expressed feeling personality

moderately expressed judging personality
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Starting weight 73kgs/160lbs
Current weight 76kgs/167lbs
Starting BF-calipers - 15%
Current BF-calipers - 12.5% and scales say 17%
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- above navel - 80cm/31.5in
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Re: Take This Personality to Help Choosing Your Career

Postby Norman » Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:47 pm

Am I the only ENFJ here?
moderately expressed extravert
moderately expressed intuitive personality
slightly expressed feeling personality
slightly expressed judging personality
178cm · 60kg · 17yo · 5x5 PR: Squat 70kg · Bench 37.5kg · OHP 22.5kg · Row 35kg · Deadlift 1x5x60kg 5x3 pull-ups
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Re: Take This Personality to Help Choosing Your Career

Postby Ghost » Sat Mar 07, 2009 12:51 am

Crafter - ISTP
slightly expressed introvert
very expressed sensing personality
distinctively expressed thinking personality
slightly expressed perceiving personality

Dang.. Pretty much spot on, especially the part about spending my free time, always loved extreme sports.
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Re: Take This Personality to Help Choosing Your Career

Postby paulreads » Sat Mar 07, 2009 8:01 am

I have taken the MB type indicator 3 times over a period of 10 years. Each time I tested as INTP with introversion and perceptiveness only slightly expressed.
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Re: Take This Personality to Help Choosing Your Career

Postby paulreads » Sat Mar 07, 2009 8:27 am

A couple people have observed that many people posting in this thread are NT types according to the test. According to CAPT* (founded by Briggs Meyers), we would not expect a prevalence of NT types by chance for the general population -- my first guess at why this might be.

Possibilities:
-The results of this particular test do not match those of the reference test used to gather the general distribution data.
-NTs self-select for voluntary personality testing.
-The population of people who actively participate in internet forums leans NT
-The population of beginning strength trainers leans NT
-Some combination?

*http://www.capt.org/mbti-assessment/estimated-frequencies.htm

Regardless of the MBTI's scientific relevance, it's an interesting tool to promote introspection and learning. For instance, I think that the indicator is correct about my P tendency, which is something I should be aware of to prevent so-called "analysis paralysis."
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Re: Take This Personality to Help Choosing Your Career

Postby ElPresidente » Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:43 pm

Sorry to spoil the party, but I studied psych stats for a while. The Meyer-Briggs Type Indicator is not a useful test. It is based directly on Jung's theory of archetypes, which has been to a large degree been discredited. The MBTI has very little empirical evidence to support either its method of classification or much predictive capacity.

However it is simple to administer and widely marketed. Just not by psychologists.

The current thinking on personality profiles is that there at least five, possibly six or even seven, axes of personality. This is the "Five Factor Model", which was found from multiple empirical sources -- dictionary studies, factor analysis of existing tests etc etc. Crucially, the FFM is not based in a theory: it is derived from observation.

If you felt that your MBTI category description perfectly fit you, then you are experiencing the 'Forer Effect', coined about astrological profiles. The Forer Effect is that a fluffily or loosely written profile will seem 'correct', even if it contains directly contradictory statements. "You are often outgoing, but sometimes you need time to yourself. Your friends say you are smart but sometimes you are unsure of your intelligence. Secretly you worry about your status and success in life, but outwardly you are confident and calm". That sort of statement can sound familiar to just about anyone.

I apologise for peeing in everybody's cereal, but the MBTI is a pet peeve of mine. It's about as scientific as reading tea leaves.
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Re: Take This Personality to Help Choosing Your Career

Postby DaveT » Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:49 pm

Your Type is
ENTJ
Extraverted Intuitive Thinking Judging
Strength of the preferences %
1 38 75 44

You are:
slightly expressed extravert
moderately expressed intuitive personality
distinctively expressed thinking personality
moderately expressed judging personality

Rational Portrait of the Fieldmarshal (ENTJ)

Hardly more than two percent of the total population, Fieldmarshals are bound to lead others, and from an early age they can be observed taking command of groups. In some cases, they simply find themselves in charge of groups, and are mystified as to how this happened. But the reason is that they have a strong natural urge to give structure and direction wherever they are - to harness people in the field and to direct them to achieve distant goals. They resemble Supervisors in their tendency to establish plans for a task, enterprise, or organization, but Fieldmarshals search more for policy and goals than for regulations and procedures.

They cannot not build organizations, and cannot not push to implement their goals. When in charge of an organization, whether in the military, business, education, or government, Fieldmarshals more than any other type desire (and generally have the ability) to visualize where the organization is going, and they seem able to communicate that vision to others. Their organizational and coordinating skills tends to be highly developed, which means that they are likely to be good at systematizing, ordering priorities, generalizing, summarizing, at marshaling evidence, and at demonstrating their ideas. Their ability to organize, however, may be more highly developed than their ability to analyze, and the Fieldmarshal leader may need to turn to an Inventor or Architect to provide this kind of input.

Fieldmarshals will usually rise to positions of responsibility and enjoy being executives. They are tireless in their devotion to their jobs and can easily block out other areas of life for the sake of their work. Superb administrators in any field - medicine, law, business, education, government, the military - Fieldmarshals organize their units into smooth-functioning systems, planning in advance, keeping both short-term and long-range objectives well in mind. For the Fieldmarshal, there must always be a goal-directed reason for doing anything, and people's feelings usually are not sufficient reason. They prefer decisions to be based on impersonal data, want to work from well thought-out plans, like to use engineered operations - and they expect others to follow suit. They are ever intent on reducing bureaucratic red tape, task redundancy, and aimless confusion in the workplace, and they are willing to dismiss employees who cannot get with the program and increase their efficiency. Although Fieldmarshals are tolerant of established procedures, they can and will abandon any procedure when it can be shown to be ineffective in accomplishing its goal. Fieldmarshals root out and reject ineffectiveness and inefficiency, and are impatient with repetition of error.


Uncanny - the bits in bold are particularly true (for better or for worse :D). It's probably also the reason why I always find it hard working for other people and my next goal is to set up my own business, although I'm 'managing' my Head of Department quite well at the moment. She nearly always runs new ideas past me first! :wink:

I don't see any 'Forer Effect' present in the above description. It's pretty cut and dried...
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Re: Take This Personality to Help Choosing Your Career

Postby ElPresidente » Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:08 am

DaveT wrote:Uncanny - the bits in bold are particularly true (for better or for worse :D).
...
I don't see any 'Forer Effect' present in the above description. It's pretty cut and dried...


You pretty much exhibited it. A generic statement that says nice things, you say it's uncannily accurate. That's pretty much the Forer Effect in a nutshell.
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Re: Take This Personality to Help Choosing Your Career

Postby DaveT » Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:59 am

ElPresidente wrote:A generic statement that says nice things


These are nice things?

there must always be a goal-directed reason for doing anything, and people's feelings usually are not sufficient reason.


they are willing to dismiss employees who cannot get with the program


Sounds like I'm a bit of an asshole when it comes to people (which I agree with - I've definitely had to work on my people skills in my life! :D)

The examples you gave were, as you said, ambiguous and contradictory, and therefore a person would then side with a part of a statement. This is what I understood you meant by the 'Forer Effect'. Yes, there are some generic statements in the description, but not many contradictory ones. At the end of the day, I would never base my view of myself on a simple test, but it is always interesting to see what they say, and this just happened to agree with things that I have already discovered about myself through meditation and self-analysis.
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Lift......PR..........Goal (2010)
SQ.......105kg......150kg
BP.......72.5kg......85kg
OHP.....52.5kg......60kg
The Bear.......20kg......40kg
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Re: Take This Personality to Help Choosing Your Career

Postby ElPresidente » Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:54 am

I see that you feel it's a good fit. And it might well be, leaving me clutching at straws. But I still stand by my general critique and I hope it will prompt people to learn more about the fascinating world of psychometrics.

However, to avoid derailing a thread that people seem to like, are you cool with agreeing to disagree?
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Re: Take This Personality to Help Choosing Your Career

Postby DaveT » Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:39 pm

ElPresidente wrote:However, to avoid derailing a thread that people seem to like, are you cool with agreeing to disagree?


No problem, and it's good to have someone question it/offer a different perspective. We should never take what's put forward as fact, whoever it's presented by. Learn, use what's useful, and discard the rest. If a test like this helps someone discover more about themselves, then it can't all be bad, just maybe not the best... At least now everyone's heard of the Five Factors Model and will lead some to investigate further (including myself). :D

You can try it here...

Also realised that there's a version of the Five Factors Model and test on Facebook.
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BP.......72.5kg......85kg
OHP.....52.5kg......60kg
The Bear.......20kg......40kg
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Re: Take This Personality to Help Choosing Your Career

Postby ElPresidente » Fri Mar 20, 2009 6:02 pm

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