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Taking the “Dead” out of “Deadlift”

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Taking the “Dead” out of “Deadlift”

Postby AbsoluteTom » Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:35 pm


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I just found this video explaining how to deadlift...

http://www.thechinaboxer.com/2009/10/28 ... -deadlift/

This trainer shares opinions on how to, and not to, deadlift. His form looks different from what I learned from Stronglifts and Starting Strength.

Any opinions on his form and instruction?
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Re: Taking the “Dead” out of “Deadlift”

Postby atypical1 » Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:46 pm

There is almost nothing right with that video. Seriously, please don't go with that form as the trainer who is presenting this exercise is showing that he doesn't truly understand the purpose behind the lift.

I'm not trying to be judgmental in any way nor am I trying to be disrespectful but this really highlights that not all strength and conditioning coaches know what they are talking about.

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Re: Taking the “Dead” out of “Deadlift”

Postby luco » Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:13 pm

I know this a crappy way to judge people, but for a strength and conditioning coach he's pretty damn scrawny..
This and the fact that his deadlift reminds me of the 'How not to deadlift' vid mehdi made some time ago, makes me think you shouldn't listen to the guy.

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Re: Taking the “Dead” out of “Deadlift”

Postby vhalros » Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:19 pm

Wow, that almost looks like some kind of weird squat.
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Re: Taking the “Dead” out of “Deadlift”

Postby Mehdi » Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:36 pm

AbsoluteTom wrote:I just found this video explaining how to deadlift...

http://www.thechinaboxer.com/2009/10/28 ... -deadlift/

This trainer shares opinions on how to, and not to, deadlift. His form looks different from what I learned from Stronglifts and Starting Strength.

Any opinions on his form and instruction?


He's hitting his knees on the way down of each rep. This is going to hurt with heavier weights and it messes with the starting position on each rep.

http://stronglifts.com/how-to-lower-the ... deadlifts/ => prevents you to hit knees on the way down.

Next his hips need to be higher in starting position, he's losing power that way. He's actually doing it better at 1:54 when he says that's the bad way to do it. It seems he's trying to prevent the back rounding by squatting upright. The way to prevent is to keep bar close to you + chest up.
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Re: Taking the “Dead” out of “Deadlift”

Postby lint » Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:09 am

that was absolutely terrible.
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Re: Taking the “Dead” out of “Deadlift”

Postby PhoenixAD » Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:45 pm

my god... that's just horrible
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Re: Taking the “Dead” out of “Deadlift”

Postby coreJack » Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:20 am

vhalros wrote:Wow, that almost looks like some kind of weird squat.

If he had the bar in rack position on his shoulders, it'd be a pretty decent front squat. :)

He's got a Romanian deadlift video up as well. I'd like to see the guy lift serious weight keeping the bar as far away from his legs as he does. That's a whole lot of torque on the low back.
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Re: Taking the “Dead” out of “Deadlift”

Postby coreJack » Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:23 am

Mehdi wrote:
AbsoluteTom wrote:He's hitting his knees on the way down of each rep. This is going to hurt with heavier weights and it messes with the starting position on each rep.

I don't think he'll ever get to heavy weights b/c so much of the effort would have to go into slowing the eccentric so that he doesn't shear his kneecaps off.
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Re: Taking the “Dead” out of “Deadlift”

Postby DeadStrength » Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:15 pm

You guys should check out the discussion in the last few posts of the comments. Obviously I can't verify if the NSCA teaches the deadlift like that but I would be absolutely stunned if they did.

I wonder if the NSCA also taught him the proper way to ride a bike.
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Re: Taking the “Dead” out of “Deadlift”

Postby mjh » Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:34 pm

That is an interesting discussion all right. He's clearly one of those "my acronym makes me the uber-expert' guys.

This part of his response in the comments really perplexed me:

I weigh 160 lbs and go up to 315 lbs on deadlifts with other professional CSCS coaches spotting me.


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Re: Taking the “Dead” out of “Deadlift”

Postby Wellhairedbeast » Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:49 pm

mjh wrote:That is an interesting discussion all right. He's clearly one of those "my acronym makes me the uber-expert' guys.

This part of his response in the comments really perplexed me:

I weigh 160 lbs and go up to 315 lbs on deadlifts with other professional CSCS coaches spotting me.


How exactly do you spot a deadlift?


Erm...

... maybe you er...

Im stumped.

If you fail it ever just doesn't go anywhere or it just goes on the floor... possibly with a slight bang.
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Re: Taking the “Dead” out of “Deadlift”

Postby coreJack » Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:42 pm

Wellhairedbeast wrote:
mjh wrote:That is an interesting discussion all right. He's clearly one of those "my acronym makes me the uber-expert' guys.

This part of his response in the comments really perplexed me:

I weigh 160 lbs and go up to 315 lbs on deadlifts with other professional CSCS coaches spotting me.


How exactly do you spot a deadlift?


Erm...

... maybe you er...

Im stumped.

If you fail it ever just doesn't go anywhere or it just goes on the floor... possibly with a slight bang.

With his technique, he needs spotters. How else is he gonna slow the bar down on a failed lift before it amputates his kneecaps?
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Re: Taking the “Dead” out of “Deadlift”

Postby Wellhairedbeast » Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:51 pm

Thats a good point...
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Re: Taking the “Dead” out of “Deadlift”

Postby luco » Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:09 am

I was gonna let him go for the crappy instructional vid (not like he's the only one out there), but his responses just ticked me off a bit.. Arrogant, stupid or just stubborn?
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