The secret

[echoe09]

I see it a lot in use all throughout the forum and I see Mehdi seems to practice the basics of the law of attraction.

I want to know has anyone read The Secret or watched the DVD?
Its a great tool for self development, and it works like nothing else.

Post your stories up of things that you have consciously attracted into your life. I look forward to hear them and share some of my own.

If you have not read or watched The Secret I recommend to anyone to do so. Its only around 40 USD for both the book and the DVD.

[Mehdi]

Watched the secret and what the bleep and what else couple of years back. Master Key System by Charles F. Haanel is one of best resources on law of attraction I think though.

Please don't start with stuff of why it works or doesn't work. Nobody cares. The proof is in the pudding.

[echoe09]

I just wanted to see if people have heard about that particular take on it. Sorry

[Mehdi]

I just wanted to see if people have heard about that particular take on it. Sorry

Wasn't meant to you Just in general if this thread gets popular. Since I know there are people out there who don't believe in this stuff or need facts before they believe it, whatever, but law of attraction doesn't work that way. And I'm not interested in how or why it works, I just know it works.

[echoe09]

I just wanted to see if people have heard about that particular take on it. Sorry

Wasn't meant to you Just in general if this thread gets popular. Since I know there are people out there who don't believe in this stuff or need facts before they believe it, whatever, but law of attraction doesn't work that way. And I'm not interested in how or why it works, I just know it works.

Oh ok, i guess i read it a different way. Yea i would like people to post up their stories but not their disbelieve. It works and if they want knowledge there are a couple places where to read up on it.

[Oxygen8]

The secret to me is a like an introductory primer to the topic...lol

Examples...man I dunno where to begin...Laws of attraction type principles completely turned my life around. I had a thread on another forum about it years back where I asked for people to test it ( I already knew it worked

Basically I got people to publicly declare (or privately if they were a bit dubious about doing so publicly, on the proviso they publicly acknowledge a successful outcome) a single very specific thing they needed or wanted in their lives. The results were oustanding. By far the majority of participants attained what they were after. Those that did not...well...they simply didn't do the "work". One lady needed $10,000 and got it. Another wanted to start a business and could see no way of doing so and ended up being "led" in a completely different direction and started a business in another field...and on it goes.

The skeptics were the most fun to work with because they were the most astonished. Belief has nothing to do with the outcome but doing what it takes does.

Ok my story...super-brief version of how it started for me.

I had a business employing about half a dozen people. Had money, a lovely lady, great friends etc.

I was about 30 at the time.

It all went pear-shaped pretty quick.(why is not relevant). I ended up broke, bankrupt, with no lovely lady and few friends. So I did what any good Aussie lad does in times of distress...I went to the pub. I was making enough money to pay the rent and drink beer by playing pool and picking up some labouring work from local builders. I'd probably still be there if a lady friend of mine hadn't bought me a book. "You Can Heal Your Life" by Louise Hay...it's a pretty "girly" sorta book and a bit too "flowery" for me but I thought...what the fuck...I'll read it anyway.

I couldn't quite mesh with Hay's way of approaching things even though I tried, but my interest was sparked enough to delve a bit deeper.

I started devouring any self-help style book I could find...but something always seemed to be missing. I did the "work" but nothing "worked".

Stumbled across a copy of "Autobigraphy of a Yogi" and things started to click. In hindsight I needed to know how and why this stuff worked for some reason before I would allow it too. Some people swear by Tony Robbins stuff but I can't mesh with that at all. I found Eckhart Tolles works and the writings of Florence Scovel Shinn....and the pennies started to drop.

One night walking home from the pub I decided enough was enough and I was going to really try this stuff. I stopped in the middle of the street and looked up at the night sky. I needed some money....fast. I had written my own affirmations in my own words but I hadn't seriously used them. This time was different. I closed my eyes and out loud in the middle of the street I spoke the affirmation I had written for money. Experienced metaphysical practitioners will tell you that money is one of the easiest things to manifest...which is quite ironic when you think about it.

Within a week an envelope arrived in my post box with $1000 cash.

The source doesn't matter...that's part of the game.

I got busy then.

Within 12 months my life completely turned around. I ended up with everything I wanted and then some. A new lady...a new house...new friends...and...and...a completely new understanding of the game of life...and how to play it.

[echoe09]

The secret to me is a like an introductory primer to the topic...lol

Examples...man I dunno where to begin...Laws of attraction type principles completely turned my life around. I had a thread on another forum about it years back where I asked for people to test it ( I already knew it worked

Basically I got people to publicly declare (or privately if they were a bit dubious about doing so publicly, on the proviso they publicly acknowledge a successful outcome) a single very specific thing they needed or wanted in their lives. The results were oustanding. By far the majority of participants attained what they were after. Those that did not...well...they simply didn't do the "work". One lady needed $10,000 and got it. Another wanted to start a business and could see no way of doing so and ended up being "led" in a completely different direction and started a business in another field...and on it goes.

The skeptics were the most fun to work with because they were the most astonished. Belief has nothing to do with the outcome but doing what it takes does.

Ok my story...super-brief version of how it started for me.

I had a business employing about half a dozen people. Had money, a lovely lady, great friends etc.

I was about 30 at the time.

It all went pear-shaped pretty quick.(why is not relevant). I ended up broke, bankrupt, with no lovely lady and few friends. So I did what any good Aussie lad does in times of distress...I went to the pub. I was making enough money to pay the rent and drink beer by playing pool and picking up some labouring work from local builders. I'd probably still be there if a lady friend of mine hadn't bought me a book. "You Can Heal Your Life" by Louise Hay...it's a pretty "girly" sorta book and a bit too "flowery" for me but I thought...what the fuck...I'll read it anyway.

I couldn't quite mesh with Hay's way of approaching things even though I tried, but my interest was sparked enough to delve a bit deeper.

I started devouring any self-help style book I could find...but something always seemed to be missing. I did the "work" but nothing "worked".

Stumbled across a copy of "Autobigraphy of a Yogi" and things started to click. In hindsight I needed to know how and why this stuff worked for some reason before I would allow it too. Some people swear by Tony Robbins stuff but I can't mesh with that at all. I found Eckhart Tolles works and the writings of Florence Scovel Shinn....and the pennies started to drop.

One night walking home from the pub I decided enough was enough and I was going to really try this stuff. I stopped in the middle of the street and looked up at the night sky. I needed some money....fast. I had written my own affirmations in my own words but I hadn't seriously used them. This time was different. I closed my eyes and out loud in the middle of the street I spoke the affirmation I had written for money. Experienced metaphysical practitioners will tell you that money is one of the easiest things to manifest...which is quite ironic when you think about it.

Within a week an envelope arrived in my post box with $1000 cash.

The source doesn't matter...that's part of the game.

I got busy then.

Within 12 months my life completely turned around. I ended up with everything I wanted and then some. A new lady...a new house...new friends...and...and...a completely new understanding of the game of life...and how to play it.

Reading stuff like that is pretty awesome, very interesting to see what people have manifested.

I try and use it every day. Saturday i was playing my drums and i said.. damn i wish i had a camcorder to record myself. So i made the wish and i felt like i had it. Sunday i found one on the ground. Little things like that turn your whole day for the better. Although the camera needs some work (just a couple screws) its still a camcorder.. Next time ill wish for something that's not damaged lol

[Oxygen8]

You're not the first person I've "known" to "find" something like that....lol

The irony to me in this subject is that firstly it works whether you believe it will or not if you do what's required.

The "problem" is that if there was only one "secret" then there would only ever have been one book written to "solve" it all.

In fact there is ultimately only one "secret" but different ways of approaching it click with different people. It becomes a paring or stripping away process more than an add-too process.

A lot of "success" or "self-improvement" type books tend to try and reprogram the mind and the way an individual thinks and reacts from the outside in. It works to a point, for some. Metaphysical approaches tend to work from the inside out, but you still need to "get it" on some level to start...even if an individual is skeptical they still started....and that's all that matters.

Nothing more powerfull than the experience of direct personal results. Then the whys and hows don't matter to many...as long as it works. I just like to know the hows and whys.

A lot of books have been written by people who have achieved great results and success, but at the end of the day they only think they know how they got there and because they don't really understand it deeply their approach only suits and works for those who "get" their way of doing things. That's why there's plenty of people who have faithfully followed various author-gurus methods and approach faithfully and achieved no tangible results or benefit.

At least that's my current view on the matter.

At the end of the day it's really-really simple...yet another irony.

We just seem to complicate and/or short-circuit the process by getting in the way.

Let's use Stronglifts as an example. At the end of the day if you do what's prescribed you'll get the results. Doesn't matter what you know...doesn't matter what you think...doesn't matter if you believe it or not, but if you do it you will know. It's one path to the same goal of a few different possible paths. Of course there are many paths that will not lead you to the goal no matter how faithfully and persistantly you follow them.

A great philospher (who's name eludes me at the moment) when speaking to a student on finding "enlightenment" said "everything is contained within the first lesson".

With strength training the answer lies in the basics.

Within everything the answers lay within the basics.

Metaphysical processes work the same way.

[Ghost]

Please don't start with stuff of why it works or doesn't work. Nobody cares. The proof is in the pudding.

Actually, I do. No amount of wishful thinking is going to save anyone from being robbed blind or getting the wrong end of a knife by a thug.
I've seen The secret and the problem with it is that if it was true, then everyone who's had any misfortunes in their lives has somehow attracted it towards them and, consequently responsible for it. Now, who wants to be the first to tell the still alive victims of hitler's concentration camps that they attracted what happened to them and therefore, it was their own fault it happened. Heck, just tell it to someone who's lost their son or a parent in an accident.
And if what we think somehow manifests upon itself, then why is there a need for action to get it? Remove the manifesting and it will be only one's actions that make something happen. Here's a quick test to see if it works: let's see how many of us can get the bar loaded with weights to move at the gym just by thinking it will, or how many of us can get a better body without doing hard work for it. I'm wagering no one..
There's no damn energy waves being transmitted from thoughts attracting stuff into our lives, there's no conscious universe/god/leprechaun/energy/whatever that makes something happen. Only one's will to have something and ACTIONS make it happen.
The only thing one might seriously considering of applying from stuff like this, is to try focusing on the positive but that still won't do miracles and deliver a ferrari to my doorstep, at least any time soon..

[Mehdi]

Lots of negativity in your post Ghost. Re-read it yourself. Also it seems you don't understand how the law of attraction works. Not that it matters. Scepticism comes from the ego, trust comes from the higher self.

The law of attraction is not going to give you a ferrari or making you go from 100kg to 400kg deadlift. What it will do is show you the way to get there. Example for the training, using law of attraction
* you start to be put more effort in your training
* you start to encounter people with big deadlifts who can help you on your journey
* you're able to keep away from injuries
* etc

Concentration camps. Read "Man's search for meaning" from Viktor Frankl. The guy was in a concentration camp and survived. If you haven't read the book, the basic message is that everyone is master of his own thoughts and behavior, in whatever situation. Including extreme situations like Frankl's. He didn't had it easy, but he refused negative thinking. That is law of attraction.

There's a difference between attracting misfortunes and experiencing misfortunes as a path to personal growth. Sometimes you need to experience bad stuff in order to grow (many people resist change or don't learn from bad experiences however). Maybe you need to get blind to get to the next level. Armstrong got cancer, could he have won the tour de france without it?

And yes lots of people are attracting negative experience all the time. Other day I was doing fluffy talk with someone. She says she's going to check her mailbox and hopes there's no bill waiting for her because she has received lots of them lately. This kind of thinking, I'm sure there was a bill waiting for her.

[markg]

I watched the DVD and it got me reading around the subject, which I enjoyed. I wrote my wishlist of things I wanted and top of the list was a 4 bed house with a long drive and a garage. I was living in a tiny 2 bed at the time. We ended up buying a brand new 4 bed house, which we never would have dreamt of affording before then. I don't think I would have gone to look at it if I hadn't made that list. The 'long drive' is a shared one, of which we only own a portion, so I guess it pays to be specific with your wish list.

I do not know if the law is real etc. but I wouldn't have got that house without it. We are stretched financially, living there, but in the long run I trust we will benefit from such an asset. Maybe I need to wish for a positive bank balance...

[arehb]

I'm all for positive thinking, and I think to what extent you are able to spot possibilities in your life versus being preoccupied with problems can explain alot. And if you convince yourself things are going to happen, it will give you confidence to pursue those goals.

It's the talk about money magically manifesting itself in the mailbox, or bills not turning up, that makes me fall off and put law of attraction close to magic and superstition.

[Ghost]

Re-read it, still think the same. Now correct me if I'm wrong but isn't loa supposed to work like this: I have something I want, let's say a new car. I then start to think like I already have it/I will have it and won't bother myself with how I'll get it, and in x amount of time there will be a way revealed for me to accuire it?

What I remember from the film was some brainiac saying it doesn't matter how big or small the wish/want is, the secret will still work. How come no one's ever found a way to live forever or how to bring about world peace? Ah forget it, let's say just to live for 200 years in complete health, even that would be phenomenal. Don't know about you but I certainly would want to live forever, too bad it's not possible.

* you start to be put more effort in your training

This is not attracting anything, it's putting more hard work into it. Something that shouldn't need to be done when using loa.

About the Frankl guy, I'm not saying you can't control your own thoughts or behavior. But no matter how positive or sure one would be to survive any adversity, it won't stop someone else from putting a bullet to your head if they decide to. And if someone does, then it would be because that said person somehow attracted the other to point the gun at him and pull the trigger. At least according to the law of attraction.

Armstrong got cancer, could he have won the tour de france without it?

Most likely, because he could've spent the time he was in hospital/in treatment to exercising and would've been in even better shape at the time of the race.

There's a difference between attracting misfortunes and experiencing misfortunes as a path to personal growth.

How do you differentiate the two? What determines if a misfortune happened because it was attracted or because one was in need of personal growth? Few years ago, a mentally ill dude went into the subway here and split some poor dude's head with an axe. Was that because the chap attracted it thinking "boy, I sure hope no looney will cleave my head with an axe while I'm on my way to work!" or because some/all of his family needed to experience something bad in order to grow as a person? Or could it just be that the guy had bad luck and was in the wrong place at the wrong time?

Btw, I'm not trying to argue just for arguing's sake or cause a fight. I simply want tangible proof everytime someone makes a claim, especially when it's a prepostorous one like the law of attraction. Oh, and I'll be immensely grateful if you somehow manage to prove it works, 'cause then I'll have a way to make Summer Glau my fiancée, and if that ever happens you get to be the best man.

[Rokku]

I haven't read The Secret or seen the DVD, but it's very intriguing to me.

Also had an experience in something similar about 10 years ago. Was walking through a shopping center in Brisbane (Australia) when I lived there, with my girlfriend at the time. A good friend of mine had moved back to Germany about 6 months before, and I mentioned to my girlfriend that I missed him and wish he'd come back. 10 minutes later we turned a corner and there he was We'd moved and he didn't have our number, so no other way we would have been able to get in touch since he didn't have internet access etc. Good times!

Anyway, which would be better to get - The Secret or another book?

[Mehdi]

I'm replying because you don't want to argue but seem to be interested into this.

Re-read it, still think the same. Now correct me if I'm wrong but isn't loa supposed to work like this: I have something I want, let's say a new car. I then start to think like I already have it/I will have it and won't bother myself with how I'll get it, and in x amount of time there will be a way revealed for me to accuire it?

That's how it works. But:
* sometimes you get something else first. Gotta be careful not think what you want won't come afterwards.
* sometimes you get it, but not like you thought you'd would. Maybe you have that car, but not a new one but 2nd hand. just an example.
* sometimes you get a little of it first. And you again have to be careful not to push it away because it's not what you want (like starting to find pennies when you asked for more dollars, and then throwing away the pennies)

What I remember from the film was some brainiac saying it doesn't matter how big or small the wish/want is, the secret will still work. How come no one's ever found a way to live forever or how to bring about world peace? Ah forget it, let's say just to live for 200 years in complete health, even that would be phenomenal. Don't know about you but I certainly would want to live forever, too bad it's not possible.

It matters if you just get started. If you earn 1000$/month and put as goal 100.000$/month that's probably too far out of your reality, so you'll get too much negative thinking "when will I get it, this stuff isn't working". So smaller goals would work better, like 1500$/month. It's these unrealistic goals that won't work because your own beliefs prevent you to get there.

I can't explain you the life expectance stuff, this doesn't interest me. I believe we're already living forever, just the body that dies, consciousness lives forever (I'm atheist btw). Not afraid of death neither, all your problems solved, wouldn't that be great?

This is not attracting anything, it's putting more hard work into it. Something that shouldn't need to be done when using loa.

It is putting the law of attraction to work. Since someone with a 400kg deadlift would have a certain lifestyle, sacrific, etc. So you'd be adopting his behavior through law of attraction. Pavlina has a podcast about this: achieving goals through behavior modifications. http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2007/0 ... hievement/

About the Frankl guy, I'm not saying you can't control your own thoughts or behavior. But no matter how positive or sure one would be to survive any adversity, it won't stop someone else from putting a bullet to your head if they decide to. And if someone does, then it would be because that said person somehow attracted the other to point the gun at him and pull the trigger. At least according to the law of attraction.

Maybe you'll avoid the whole interaction since you wouldn't be someone who thinks about this kind of stuff in the first place. Find the example weird, I'm not thinking about getting bullets in my head.

Most likely, because he could've spent the time he was in hospital/in treatment to exercising and would've been in even better shape at the time of the race.

Most likely because it woke him up to his full potential.

How do you differentiate the two? What determines if a misfortune happened because it was attracted or because one was in need of personal growth? Few years ago, a mentally ill dude went into the subway here and split some poor dude's head with an axe. Was that because the chap attracted it thinking "boy, I sure hope no looney will cleave my head with an axe while I'm on my way to work!" or because some/all of his family needed to experience something bad in order to grow as a person? Or could it just be that the guy had bad luck and was in the wrong place at the wrong time?

Again weird example, I wonder why you think about this violence stuff. You find out if it's misfortune or not with time. Wait a few days, months, years and then it will become clear if it happened for the right reasons or not. All of the "bad" stuff that happend to me in the past seemed to have happened for a reason when looking back. Read "meditation" by Marcus Aurelius.

Btw, I'm not trying to argue just for arguing's sake or cause a fight. I simply want tangible proof everytime someone makes a claim, especially when it's a prepostorous one like the law of attraction. Oh, and I'll be immensely grateful if you somehow manage to prove it works, 'cause then I'll have a way to make Summer Glau my fiancée, and if that ever happens you get to be the best man.

it doesn't work like that. If you don't believe it works, it won't work. You need faith for it to work. If you don't believe it works, you'll push it away all the time "this doesn't work, this doesn't work, this doesn't work, when will it work, etc". Constant negative thinking pushing away what you want. You have to trust that it will work then let go of it.

The real problem with law of attraction is finding out what you really want and making a clear intention about it.

I haven't read The Secret or seen the DVD, but it's very intriguing to me.

Also had an experience in something similar about 10 years ago. Was walking through a shopping center in Brisbane (Australia) when I lived there, with my girlfriend at the time. A good friend of mine had moved back to Germany about 6 months before, and I mentioned to my girlfriend that I missed him and wish he'd come back. 10 minutes later we turned a corner and there he was We'd moved and he didn't have our number, so no other way we would have been able to get in touch since he didn't have internet access etc. Good times!

Anyway, which would be better to get - The Secret or another book?

Master Key System by Charles Haanel. 1 lesson a week with exercises. Takes 24 weeks.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/956291 ... 9562911640

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It is Silicon Valley's secret that almost every entrepreneur who made a fortune in recent years did so by studying the words Mr. Haanel penned over eighty years ago! Almost every millionaire and billionaire in the Valley read The Master Key System by Charles F. Haanel. Since this book was no longer in print until recently, copies of The Master Key System became a hot commodity in the Valley.