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		<title>By: Mehdi</title>
		<link>http://stronglifts.com/why-barbells-are-better-than-dumbbells/#comment-7745</link>
		<dc:creator>Mehdi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 22:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said DevilsSon. Spot on with the one hand Barbell lifts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said DevilsSon. Spot on with the one hand Barbell lifts.</p>
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		<title>By: DevilsSon</title>
		<link>http://stronglifts.com/why-barbells-are-better-than-dumbbells/#comment-7744</link>
		<dc:creator>DevilsSon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 22:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My reasons for liking barbells over DBs:

#1 More total resistance
#2 Easier progression
#3 Less emphasis on balance/unilateral elements for       beginners
#4 Better at stimulating CNS
#5 Easier to use to add size,strength,power

There&#039;s also nothing preventing one from using barbells for unilateral movements. DBs do have certain movements which are hard to do with a barbell such as Swings however their place is still primarily as assistance in a well balanced strength program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My reasons for liking barbells over DBs:</p>
<p>#1 More total resistance<br />
#2 Easier progression<br />
#3 Less emphasis on balance/unilateral elements for       beginners<br />
#4 Better at stimulating CNS<br />
#5 Easier to use to add size,strength,power</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also nothing preventing one from using barbells for unilateral movements. DBs do have certain movements which are hard to do with a barbell such as Swings however their place is still primarily as assistance in a well balanced strength program.</p>
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		<title>By: Mehdi</title>
		<link>http://stronglifts.com/why-barbells-are-better-than-dumbbells/#comment-7598</link>
		<dc:creator>Mehdi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 18:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great comment Dave.

If you have to choose between barbells &amp; dumbbels, the choice is barbells. MarkFu mentioned waiter walks, farmer walks, overhead squats, etc using a dumbbell. Try a one barbell overhead press, one barbell waiter walks, one barbell turkish getups, etc. You can do unilateral exercises using a dumbbell &amp; it&#039;s more challenging. The only benefit for a dumbbell would be is if you don&#039;t have the strength to do an exercise with a 20kg barbell. But that&#039;s what a beginner&#039;s program is meant for: build a foundation of strength.

Barbells are better because they give faster results. More loading, more stress. This applies to anyone. You don&#039;t want to believe it: continue doing what you do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comment Dave.</p>
<p>If you have to choose between barbells &#038; dumbbels, the choice is barbells. MarkFu mentioned waiter walks, farmer walks, overhead squats, etc using a dumbbell. Try a one barbell overhead press, one barbell waiter walks, one barbell turkish getups, etc. You can do unilateral exercises using a dumbbell &#038; it&#8217;s more challenging. The only benefit for a dumbbell would be is if you don&#8217;t have the strength to do an exercise with a 20kg barbell. But that&#8217;s what a beginner&#8217;s program is meant for: build a foundation of strength.</p>
<p>Barbells are better because they give faster results. More loading, more stress. This applies to anyone. You don&#8217;t want to believe it: continue doing what you do.</p>
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		<title>By: daveM</title>
		<link>http://stronglifts.com/why-barbells-are-better-than-dumbbells/#comment-7597</link>
		<dc:creator>daveM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 18:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that many of the commentors are missing the point of Mehdi&#039;s article and his blog in general.  His site is built around lifting for strength as a primary focus, and his program is oriented around this end relying on an approach that makes sense for someone pursuing primarily general strength and not specific sport preparation like golf.  Most experienced lifters pursing the same ends learn eventually that for the most part building a program centered on a handful of foundational complex lifts and their variations produces the best strength gains.  And most of these lifts are best done with a barbell.  Assistive lifts, rehab and prehab exercises, and the isolation exercise regime that bodybuilders tend to focus on for hypertrophy and shape often are better done with dumbbells.  However, for  a primarily strength focused program these are supplementary to the primary lifts.  Just go ask experienced Olympic lifters or power lifters what produces maximal strength gains, and a guarantee you that for almost every one of them (assuming that without a thorough study that there might be a small handful pursuing a non-conventional strategy) it will be centered around the barbell and compound movements.

One might argue that, well these folks are lifting to be strong in the particular lifts of their sport.  This is true, but they all learn that lifting heavy in a core group of compound exercise produce maximal general strength gains throughout the body (read some of Mehdi&#039;s begginer articles for why), and that lifting heavy for these key exercises is best done with a barbell.  Now, there are a few caveats to this.  Maximal gains can be enhanced by occasionally changing up the routine to avoid adaptation stalling, and some of these periods of where one alters the routine in this way should consider variations and alternative lifts that use dumbbells.  Second, maximal gains will benefit from supplementing the key exercises with some strategic use of assistive lifts.  Third, a lifter may have an imbalance or an injury or some other condition or sport need that makes particular injuries a concern, and that these often are addressed using single-limb exercises that use dumbbells.

Now if one is preparing for a sport that relies on a repetitive motion, especially that is limited range of motion, in a single direction or otherwise imbalanced in terms of focusing on one side of the body or one muscle group rather than its antagonist, then those pursuing that sport will have to adapt their program to address those needs and the associated injury/imbalance problems.   These folks will almost certainly need to use dumbbells, and it would make sense to prioritize the purchasing of dumbbells over a barbell for that reason.  Still, in general, and for most of the general strength gain lifts they should also be using, a barbell will still be the better tool other than the reasons I listed in the previous paragraph.

Finally, Mehdi was not advocating not having dumbbells, but that for the general audience that reads this blog with the aim of most effective use of their limited time to gain general strength, a barbell is a better tool and should be higher priority.  I might quibble a bit with this, as some have pointed out, for true beginners one will not be approaching the weight limitations of dumbbells and so it might make sense for any who have some need to address known imbalances or injuries to buy dumbbells first with the understanding that a good barbell should not be too far in the future.  Still, because even at lower weights one of the important goals for a beginner&#039;s program is to learn proper form before getting to heavier weight and to grove the lifter into the positions (like ass to the grass on squats or beginning wrist/arm position on the overhead press), starting with a barbell makes most sense for achieving this end.  As I mentioned in a previous post on this thread, I have used dumbbells for very inflexible beginner friends to learn to squat deep using a goblet squat because this got them into the down position better and faster than the traditional back squat.  I think Mehdi would agree that if one can afford both a good barbell and dumbbells, this would be best.  I suspect he would agree that some particular sport goal or injury/imbalance need might be best served by getting a good set of dumbbells first if a good barbell was soon to follow.  He didn&#039;t frame his article this way which may have produced some of the reaction, but I don&#039;t think these caveats take away from his &lt;i&gt;general&lt;/i&gt; recommendation that the barbell is the best &lt;i&gt;general&lt;/i&gt; tool for effective strength training.

Of course, we really might be wrong :) and I recommend that readers try the alternatives for themselves.  Both tools will produce strength gains, each person will have to weigh their particular goals, restrictions, and budgets to decide what they should do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that many of the commentors are missing the point of Mehdi&#8217;s article and his blog in general.  His site is built around lifting for strength as a primary focus, and his program is oriented around this end relying on an approach that makes sense for someone pursuing primarily general strength and not specific sport preparation like golf.  Most experienced lifters pursing the same ends learn eventually that for the most part building a program centered on a handful of foundational complex lifts and their variations produces the best strength gains.  And most of these lifts are best done with a barbell.  Assistive lifts, rehab and prehab exercises, and the isolation exercise regime that bodybuilders tend to focus on for hypertrophy and shape often are better done with dumbbells.  However, for  a primarily strength focused program these are supplementary to the primary lifts.  Just go ask experienced Olympic lifters or power lifters what produces maximal strength gains, and a guarantee you that for almost every one of them (assuming that without a thorough study that there might be a small handful pursuing a non-conventional strategy) it will be centered around the barbell and compound movements.</p>
<p>One might argue that, well these folks are lifting to be strong in the particular lifts of their sport.  This is true, but they all learn that lifting heavy in a core group of compound exercise produce maximal general strength gains throughout the body (read some of Mehdi&#8217;s begginer articles for why), and that lifting heavy for these key exercises is best done with a barbell.  Now, there are a few caveats to this.  Maximal gains can be enhanced by occasionally changing up the routine to avoid adaptation stalling, and some of these periods of where one alters the routine in this way should consider variations and alternative lifts that use dumbbells.  Second, maximal gains will benefit from supplementing the key exercises with some strategic use of assistive lifts.  Third, a lifter may have an imbalance or an injury or some other condition or sport need that makes particular injuries a concern, and that these often are addressed using single-limb exercises that use dumbbells.</p>
<p>Now if one is preparing for a sport that relies on a repetitive motion, especially that is limited range of motion, in a single direction or otherwise imbalanced in terms of focusing on one side of the body or one muscle group rather than its antagonist, then those pursuing that sport will have to adapt their program to address those needs and the associated injury/imbalance problems.   These folks will almost certainly need to use dumbbells, and it would make sense to prioritize the purchasing of dumbbells over a barbell for that reason.  Still, in general, and for most of the general strength gain lifts they should also be using, a barbell will still be the better tool other than the reasons I listed in the previous paragraph.</p>
<p>Finally, Mehdi was not advocating not having dumbbells, but that for the general audience that reads this blog with the aim of most effective use of their limited time to gain general strength, a barbell is a better tool and should be higher priority.  I might quibble a bit with this, as some have pointed out, for true beginners one will not be approaching the weight limitations of dumbbells and so it might make sense for any who have some need to address known imbalances or injuries to buy dumbbells first with the understanding that a good barbell should not be too far in the future.  Still, because even at lower weights one of the important goals for a beginner&#8217;s program is to learn proper form before getting to heavier weight and to grove the lifter into the positions (like ass to the grass on squats or beginning wrist/arm position on the overhead press), starting with a barbell makes most sense for achieving this end.  As I mentioned in a previous post on this thread, I have used dumbbells for very inflexible beginner friends to learn to squat deep using a goblet squat because this got them into the down position better and faster than the traditional back squat.  I think Mehdi would agree that if one can afford both a good barbell and dumbbells, this would be best.  I suspect he would agree that some particular sport goal or injury/imbalance need might be best served by getting a good set of dumbbells first if a good barbell was soon to follow.  He didn&#8217;t frame his article this way which may have produced some of the reaction, but I don&#8217;t think these caveats take away from his <i>general</i> recommendation that the barbell is the best <i>general</i> tool for effective strength training.</p>
<p>Of course, we really might be wrong <img src='http://stronglifts.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  and I recommend that readers try the alternatives for themselves.  Both tools will produce strength gains, each person will have to weigh their particular goals, restrictions, and budgets to decide what they should do.</p>
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		<title>By: krets</title>
		<link>http://stronglifts.com/why-barbells-are-better-than-dumbbells/#comment-7534</link>
		<dc:creator>krets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 18:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Everybody reacts to stress the same way.&quot;

Wrong. Absolutely wrong. Your body is genetically programmed to respond to stress very differently from mine and each of your other readers. In the very general sense muscles grow as a response to stress. But the way they grow in each individual is vastly different. If every person responded exactly the same way to stress you&#039;d have one single workout program that worked for everyone out there exactly the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Everybody reacts to stress the same way.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wrong. Absolutely wrong. Your body is genetically programmed to respond to stress very differently from mine and each of your other readers. In the very general sense muscles grow as a response to stress. But the way they grow in each individual is vastly different. If every person responded exactly the same way to stress you&#8217;d have one single workout program that worked for everyone out there exactly the same.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkFu</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkFu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to take issue with the &quot;barbells are better than dumbells&quot; statement. While I do use BB&#039;s more than DB&#039;s I would like to use DB&#039;s more than I do. Now if you want to say they are different and then point them out, I am with you. After all, both have stood the test of time and both are quite functional and I would take either in a heartbeat over any machine. And you can throw kettlebells into the mix as well. 
The stabiilzation issue is an advantage to dumbells. Why wouldn&#039;t you want to strengthen and train those muscles? Ori Hofmekler had me do Waiter Walks with DBs of two different weights. Life is not symmetrical and you need to train for asymmetry as well. 
If you don&#039;t think you can develop leg strength well with DB&#039;s you haven&#039;t done Thrusters (front squat + push press, one continuous movement) or farmer walks or waiter walks up hills, or overhead squats. BTW, you can get some pretty damn heavy dumbells to train with that will build some mighty powerful muscles. Coach Rutherford once had me do 21-15-9 reps of DB burpees alternating with Farmer walks around a rather large San Diego city block. The idea was that those db&#039;s wouldn&#039;t leave my hands. They crushed me! With a little imagination and checking out coach Rut&#039;s blog, you can find many different ways to build strength with dbs.

Dumbells. their cousins, kettlebells and barbells are tools in the toolbox. Is one better than another? I wouldn&#039;t make that argument, but I would point how they are different and then tie those differences together as to how they contribute to overall strength gain. Each certainly has big advantages over the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to take issue with the &#8220;barbells are better than dumbells&#8221; statement. While I do use BB&#8217;s more than DB&#8217;s I would like to use DB&#8217;s more than I do. Now if you want to say they are different and then point them out, I am with you. After all, both have stood the test of time and both are quite functional and I would take either in a heartbeat over any machine. And you can throw kettlebells into the mix as well.<br />
The stabiilzation issue is an advantage to dumbells. Why wouldn&#8217;t you want to strengthen and train those muscles? Ori Hofmekler had me do Waiter Walks with DBs of two different weights. Life is not symmetrical and you need to train for asymmetry as well.<br />
If you don&#8217;t think you can develop leg strength well with DB&#8217;s you haven&#8217;t done Thrusters (front squat + push press, one continuous movement) or farmer walks or waiter walks up hills, or overhead squats. BTW, you can get some pretty damn heavy dumbells to train with that will build some mighty powerful muscles. Coach Rutherford once had me do 21-15-9 reps of DB burpees alternating with Farmer walks around a rather large San Diego city block. The idea was that those db&#8217;s wouldn&#8217;t leave my hands. They crushed me! With a little imagination and checking out coach Rut&#8217;s blog, you can find many different ways to build strength with dbs.</p>
<p>Dumbells. their cousins, kettlebells and barbells are tools in the toolbox. Is one better than another? I wouldn&#8217;t make that argument, but I would point how they are different and then tie those differences together as to how they contribute to overall strength gain. Each certainly has big advantages over the other.</p>
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		<title>By: Mehdi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mehdi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 12:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Krets. The body builds muscle &amp; strength as a reaction to physical stress. This is Hans Seley&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://stronglifts.com/general-adaptation-syndrome-hans-selyes-stress-model/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;General Adaptation Syndrome&lt;/a&gt;. Lifting weights = physical stress. Everybody reacts to stress the same way. Barbell exercises are more stressful than dumbbells. Barbell Squats are more stressful than dumbbell squats or lunges.

I still have to meet somebody who doesn&#039;t want to build strength &amp; muscle as fast as he can. That&#039;s why barbells are better than dumbbells. Dumbbell lunges/squats might be easier than a power clean + front squat, but that&#039;s also why the latter will make you tougher.  &lt;em&gt;&quot;Follow the line of most resistance&quot;&lt;/em&gt; Napoleon Hill.

But if what you do works for you, continue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Krets. The body builds muscle &#038; strength as a reaction to physical stress. This is Hans Seley&#8217;s <a href="http://stronglifts.com/general-adaptation-syndrome-hans-selyes-stress-model/" rel="nofollow">General Adaptation Syndrome</a>. Lifting weights = physical stress. Everybody reacts to stress the same way. Barbell exercises are more stressful than dumbbells. Barbell Squats are more stressful than dumbbell squats or lunges.</p>
<p>I still have to meet somebody who doesn&#8217;t want to build strength &#038; muscle as fast as he can. That&#8217;s why barbells are better than dumbbells. Dumbbell lunges/squats might be easier than a power clean + front squat, but that&#8217;s also why the latter will make you tougher.  <em>&#8220;Follow the line of most resistance&#8221;</em> Napoleon Hill.</p>
<p>But if what you do works for you, continue.</p>
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		<title>By: krets</title>
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		<dc:creator>krets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 12:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mehdi: You need to realize that what works for you may not necessarily work for everyone else. I&#039;m familiar with all the exercises you pointed out but there are just as many exercises (and more) that I could point out with dumbbells. I&#039;m not here to argue which one is better because I don&#039;t think that is a valid argument. Barbells are most certainly useful for lots of exercises but dumbbells are very useful as well.

Now if you&#039;re aiming at a beginner who is limited to a home gym, I still think that dumbbells are going to be the best option. Clearly there are benefits and drawbacks to each option without having the other available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mehdi: You need to realize that what works for you may not necessarily work for everyone else. I&#8217;m familiar with all the exercises you pointed out but there are just as many exercises (and more) that I could point out with dumbbells. I&#8217;m not here to argue which one is better because I don&#8217;t think that is a valid argument. Barbells are most certainly useful for lots of exercises but dumbbells are very useful as well.</p>
<p>Now if you&#8217;re aiming at a beginner who is limited to a home gym, I still think that dumbbells are going to be the best option. Clearly there are benefits and drawbacks to each option without having the other available.</p>
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		<title>By: Parker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 15:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that you who are commenting about why dumbbells are better are not here for Mehdi&#039;s Strength Training program. Example: Mike&#039;s comment &quot;I also disagree as barbells kill my shoulders…&quot;. You are obviously not reading Mehdi&#039;s articles. Ask Tiger Woods if he uses dumbbells when he benches 300lbs and then ask him if he is only working on that to be a body builder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that you who are commenting about why dumbbells are better are not here for Mehdi&#8217;s Strength Training program. Example: Mike&#8217;s comment &#8220;I also disagree as barbells kill my shoulders…&#8221;. You are obviously not reading Mehdi&#8217;s articles. Ask Tiger Woods if he uses dumbbells when he benches 300lbs and then ask him if he is only working on that to be a body builder.</p>
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		<title>By: David Hinchliffe - Cricket Fitness</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Hinchliffe - Cricket Fitness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 13:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Easy boys, there is room for love of both. Both have plus points, both have minus points. Focus on the context for sweet lifting harmony :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Easy boys, there is room for love of both. Both have plus points, both have minus points. Focus on the context for sweet lifting harmony <img src='http://stronglifts.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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