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		<title>By: Mehdi</title>
		<link>http://stronglifts.com/why-you-should-always-use-a-full-range-of-motion/#comment-2233</link>
		<dc:creator>Mehdi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great to read you saw the light Peter. Never hesitate to ask questions. Nobody knows everything, I learn new things every day. 

Be careful post injury. Start with an empty barbell, focus on your technique, add weight gradually. You&#039;ll get there. Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great to read you saw the light Peter. Never hesitate to ask questions. Nobody knows everything, I learn new things every day. </p>
<p>Be careful post injury. Start with an empty barbell, focus on your technique, add weight gradually. You&#8217;ll get there. Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After doing some research, I would have to agree with all of you and say that my initial comment was wrong.  I think the physical therapists were probably telling me that because of my physically weakened state.  Not only was I weak, but had pore flexibility and coordination (if any of you have had knee surgery you know what I mean, sucks). 

Thank everyone for setting me straight.  Maybe I&#039;ll do some more research before shooting my mouth off next time :).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After doing some research, I would have to agree with all of you and say that my initial comment was wrong.  I think the physical therapists were probably telling me that because of my physically weakened state.  Not only was I weak, but had pore flexibility and coordination (if any of you have had knee surgery you know what I mean, sucks). </p>
<p>Thank everyone for setting me straight.  Maybe I&#8217;ll do some more research before shooting my mouth off next time <img src='http://stronglifts.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: Mehdi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mehdi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for helping out Brent, Galapagos &amp; Wimmos. Squatting deep is bad for the knees is a myth that pushes people to squat above parallel, leading to more knee injuries &amp; more people not training their legs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for helping out Brent, Galapagos &#038; Wimmos. Squatting deep is bad for the knees is a myth that pushes people to squat above parallel, leading to more knee injuries &#038; more people not training their legs.</p>
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		<title>By: Mehdi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mehdi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Squatting deep doesn&#039;t hurt your tendons. Typically, it&#039;s working a joint/muscle beyond the range of motion it was designed for that will hurt the tendon. Overstretch your biceps: you&#039;ll tear it. Keep the lower leg stable, while rotating the upper leg: you&#039;ll tear your acl tendon, etc...

You&#039;re body was designed to squat deep. There&#039;s nothing wrong with doing this. Chinese people have the habit of sitting in a bottom squat position for extended periods of time. 

Keeping your knees healthy while squatting is all about technique:
-Increase the weight gradually
-Work on flexibility &amp; mobility in hamstrings/hip joint if needed
-Don&#039;t bounce at the bottom
-Keep your knees out
-et

PTs will advise you not to go full rom for two reasons:
-They fear you&#039;ll injure yourself because you&#039;re not using proper technique.
-They lack understanding of how the squat works &amp; what correct technique is.

5 millions people are involved in weightlifting competition worlwide. They all squat deep. Their injury rate is lower than in any other sport like soccer, football,...

Your question is worth a post Peter. Thanks for giving me the idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Squatting deep doesn&#8217;t hurt your tendons. Typically, it&#8217;s working a joint/muscle beyond the range of motion it was designed for that will hurt the tendon. Overstretch your biceps: you&#8217;ll tear it. Keep the lower leg stable, while rotating the upper leg: you&#8217;ll tear your acl tendon, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re body was designed to squat deep. There&#8217;s nothing wrong with doing this. Chinese people have the habit of sitting in a bottom squat position for extended periods of time. </p>
<p>Keeping your knees healthy while squatting is all about technique:<br />
-Increase the weight gradually<br />
-Work on flexibility &#038; mobility in hamstrings/hip joint if needed<br />
-Don&#8217;t bounce at the bottom<br />
-Keep your knees out<br />
-et</p>
<p>PTs will advise you not to go full rom for two reasons:<br />
-They fear you&#8217;ll injure yourself because you&#8217;re not using proper technique.<br />
-They lack understanding of how the squat works &#038; what correct technique is.</p>
<p>5 millions people are involved in weightlifting competition worlwide. They all squat deep. Their injury rate is lower than in any other sport like soccer, football,&#8230;</p>
<p>Your question is worth a post Peter. Thanks for giving me the idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Mehdi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mehdi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed galapogos. Most trainees will have problems squatting below parallel, benching with the shoulders at the correct place, pressing the weight above their head on the overhead press,... all because of a lack of flexibility/mobility.

Don&#039;t force the movement using weight. Rather do flexibility/mobility exercises. You&#039;ll be amazed how fast flexiblity improves with only 3 sessions of 10mins a week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed galapogos. Most trainees will have problems squatting below parallel, benching with the shoulders at the correct place, pressing the weight above their head on the overhead press,&#8230; all because of a lack of flexibility/mobility.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t force the movement using weight. Rather do flexibility/mobility exercises. You&#8217;ll be amazed how fast flexiblity improves with only 3 sessions of 10mins a week.</p>
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		<title>By: Mehdi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mehdi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for helping out galapogos.

Yes Jon, start with the Squat as laid out in the beginner strength training program. The &quot;advanced&quot; version of the program includes front squats. I&#039;ll post the program in September when I get back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for helping out galapogos.</p>
<p>Yes Jon, start with the Squat as laid out in the beginner strength training program. The &#8220;advanced&#8221; version of the program includes front squats. I&#8217;ll post the program in September when I get back.</p>
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		<title>By: Wimmos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wimmos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 06:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Brent. On uni I have learnt to calculate the total load on the knee in various positions..... And heck, I don&#039;t think a professor in Orthopedics will be wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Brent. On uni I have learnt to calculate the total load on the knee in various positions&#8230;.. And heck, I don&#8217;t think a professor in Orthopedics will be wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: galapogos</title>
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		<dc:creator>galapogos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 01:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AFAIK he&#039;s basing the beginner program on Rippetoe&#039;s Starting Strength, so do back squats, not front squats. The front squats he showed are just a demonstration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AFAIK he&#8217;s basing the beginner program on Rippetoe&#8217;s Starting Strength, so do back squats, not front squats. The front squats he showed are just a demonstration.</p>
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		<title>By: galapogos</title>
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		<dc:creator>galapogos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 01:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally agree. Most PTs haven&#039;t done a single squat their entire lives(other than when they were a baby) and the only people they see injured are those that get injured squatting incorrectly, so obviously they&#039;re gonna get biased. Olympic weightlifters routinely squat ATG, so there&#039;s nothing wrong with it. In fact, as you squat below parallel, your knee ligaments are in a tighter position to protect your knees, compared to when you&#039;re squatting parallel, when they are that their most relaxed. Also, the more you squat below parallel, the most hamstring and glute involvement there is, again protecting your knees from damage. Bottom line, squatting ATG is a perfectly natural human movement that should be encouraged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree. Most PTs haven&#8217;t done a single squat their entire lives(other than when they were a baby) and the only people they see injured are those that get injured squatting incorrectly, so obviously they&#8217;re gonna get biased. Olympic weightlifters routinely squat ATG, so there&#8217;s nothing wrong with it. In fact, as you squat below parallel, your knee ligaments are in a tighter position to protect your knees, compared to when you&#8217;re squatting parallel, when they are that their most relaxed. Also, the more you squat below parallel, the most hamstring and glute involvement there is, again protecting your knees from damage. Bottom line, squatting ATG is a perfectly natural human movement that should be encouraged.</p>
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		<title>By: brent</title>
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		<dc:creator>brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is wrong

from a biomechanical standpoint, the patellar tendon isn&#039;t at risk to injury until the shins start tilting forward at a considerable angle (i.e. weight is being pushed near the balls of the feet, not the heels), and the supportive ligaments (ACL, MCL, LCL) aren&#039;t in danger of damage unless the knees don&#039;t follow the toes, i.e. they drift inwards during the squat, you let the bar crash on you and let your feet shift on the way down, etc.

and what you and the physical therapists that you have been treated by are trying to say is basically, the limbs of the body are constantly at risk because the ROM &lt;i&gt;that they have been built for&lt;/i&gt; is dangerous, and therefore you should &lt;i&gt;consciously limit&lt;/i&gt; the ROM that you let your joints move through, which quite frankly does not make a whole lot of sense - how many babies and children should be going to the ER on a daily basis because of their daily activities? aren&#039;t their joints as fragile, or even more fragile, than a trained athlete&#039;s ?

also there are some schools of thought in PT which advocate full ROM squatting as part of a rehabilitation program

weightlifting is a sport that basically revolves around the ability to squat deep, and while it does have its fair share of athletes who damage their knees and backs, there are also many athletes who continue to compete into their 30s, 40s, and 50s in Master divisions ... like other sports, i.e. football, wrestling, etc., there is a &lt;i&gt;risk&lt;/i&gt; for injury when competing (in the form of &quot;forgetting&quot; to move a certain way, allowing the body to deviate from correct positions, etc.), but that risk can be minimized through good decision-making and recovery habits

of course, no one is saying that you as an individual have to change your squatting habits, if you really believe it&#039;s not good for you, don&#039;t do it, i&#039;m only arguing that as far as athletic training (i.e. weight training in a controlled, regulated environment under good supervision) goes, deep squatting is a producer of good leg strength and health, not a damager</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is wrong</p>
<p>from a biomechanical standpoint, the patellar tendon isn&#8217;t at risk to injury until the shins start tilting forward at a considerable angle (i.e. weight is being pushed near the balls of the feet, not the heels), and the supportive ligaments (ACL, MCL, LCL) aren&#8217;t in danger of damage unless the knees don&#8217;t follow the toes, i.e. they drift inwards during the squat, you let the bar crash on you and let your feet shift on the way down, etc.</p>
<p>and what you and the physical therapists that you have been treated by are trying to say is basically, the limbs of the body are constantly at risk because the ROM <i>that they have been built for</i> is dangerous, and therefore you should <i>consciously limit</i> the ROM that you let your joints move through, which quite frankly does not make a whole lot of sense &#8211; how many babies and children should be going to the ER on a daily basis because of their daily activities? aren&#8217;t their joints as fragile, or even more fragile, than a trained athlete&#8217;s ?</p>
<p>also there are some schools of thought in PT which advocate full ROM squatting as part of a rehabilitation program</p>
<p>weightlifting is a sport that basically revolves around the ability to squat deep, and while it does have its fair share of athletes who damage their knees and backs, there are also many athletes who continue to compete into their 30s, 40s, and 50s in Master divisions &#8230; like other sports, i.e. football, wrestling, etc., there is a <i>risk</i> for injury when competing (in the form of &#8220;forgetting&#8221; to move a certain way, allowing the body to deviate from correct positions, etc.), but that risk can be minimized through good decision-making and recovery habits</p>
<p>of course, no one is saying that you as an individual have to change your squatting habits, if you really believe it&#8217;s not good for you, don&#8217;t do it, i&#8217;m only arguing that as far as athletic training (i.e. weight training in a controlled, regulated environment under good supervision) goes, deep squatting is a producer of good leg strength and health, not a damager</p>
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